[MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 66, Issue 23

[Mark McCullagh]

Re Outlook and line returns -- problem solved, switched from "plain 
text" to "Markdown" in composition window, by selecting "Generate HTML 
even if only for styling" and selecting "Markdown" as markup language.

Thanks for responses!

Mark


On 9 Sep 2016, at 12:00, mailmate-request at lists.freron.com wrote:

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>    1. Re: Outlook users have long lines to read when I send them
>       emails (John D. Muccigrosso)
>    2. Re: Feature Request: BCC warning/intro (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
>    3. Re: Stop automatic download of incoming messages
>       (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
>    4. Re: Stop automatic download of incoming messages
>       (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
>    5. Re: Tags/Keywords and Gmail Labels (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
>    6. Re: Outlook users have long lines to read when I send them
>       emails (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
>    7. Re: mailmate Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22 (Esteban Umerez Argaia)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 09:51:58 -0400
> From: "John D. Muccigrosso" <muccigrosso at icloud.com>
> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Outlook users have long lines to read when I send
> 	them emails
> Message-ID: <850F21FA-0675-4D19-AD57-CFD4AEC39381 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:48, Mark McCullagh wrote:
>
>> Hi, using MailMate for a while but just got a complaint from a friend
>> who uses Outlook and says that he has to scroll miles to the right to
>> read a whole paragraph I write.
>>
>> Is there a MailMate setting that will put in hard returns to prevent
>> this?
>
> Trying to fix the wrong problem. :-)
>
> John
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:05:15 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: BCC warning/intro
> Message-ID: <5F35E245-A7D2-49B1-8AF8-5BA697DB3CBA at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:43, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
>
>> Yes. It still doesn’t work for me. Version 2.0BETA (6054)
>
> I'm afraid it's only in the 1.9.5 release at this time :)
>
> (The Sierra release date is now official. My focus will be on getting
> 1.9.5 out of beta state and also completing an update of the 
> homepage.)
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:06:34 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Stop automatic download of incoming messages
> Message-ID: <2D723BCD-CFC5-4104-BF3F-D68465156600 at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:14, Esteban Umerez Argaia wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to stop automatic downloading of the incoming
>> messages.
>
> Only by taking account(s) offline using “Mailbox ▸ Take Offline”
> after selecting them under SOURCES in the mailbox list. This does not
> prevent you from sending emails.
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:10:01 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Stop automatic download of incoming messages
> Message-ID: <3DA8E308-1E50-4503-99F0-5F6DDA09E1D3 at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 20:35, John Cooper wrote:
>
>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote (at 11:18 on 8 Sep 2016):
>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:54, John Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you want to stay online, but not check for messages. What about
>>>> setting **Mailbox > Synchronization Schedule** to **Manually**?
>>>
>>> does not work - mailmate will fetch when putting folder in focus.
>>
>> That's surprising. When this option is set, the intuitive result 
>> would
>> be only to fetch when using **Mailbox > Synchronize "<account>"** or
>> its associated shortcut.
>
> Synchronization schedule is mainly intended to control how much work
> MailMate does when idle, in particular, how often each mailbox in the
> account is checked for new messages. I can understand that it can be a
> bit counter intuitive that it's “overridden” when selecting a
> mailbox, but this is a feature.
>
> I've got some notes written down about how some kind of flexible “do
> not disturb” feature could be implemented, but it's not something 
> I've
> done any work on yet.
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:17:35 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Tags/Keywords and Gmail Labels
> Message-ID: <2BE7874C-1A3F-41D8-965E-90B74901BF8B at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:03, Jim McCarty wrote:
>
>> While playing around with tags/keywords and Gmail labels, I found 
>> that
>> applying a label to a group of messages in a folder (22 of them, 
>> there
>> are 3 in sent messages that are not selected), then adding the Gmail
>> Label to the tag preference entry, all of the emails disappear. I
>> can't find them using tags or searching for the prefix applied to the
>> subject of all the list emails. Removing the Gmail label from the tag
>> entry allows them to be found again.
>>
>> If I do this over and over, I get a couple different results.
>> Sometimes after applying the tag and then adding the Gmail label,
>
> Setting the label server side?
>
>> the smart mailbox I have set to look for the tag shows messages that
>> are in the sent folder (the 3 messages) but none of the messages I
>> selected and added the label to. When I remove the Gmail Label from
>> the tag preference entry, the messages reappear but sometimes they no
>> longer have the tag/keyword attached, sometimes they do.
>>
>> I did one run where I made sure only the 22 messages had the tag and
>> the 3 sent messages did not but adding the Gmail label to the tag
>> preference prevented access to the 22 messages and showed the 3 sent
>> messages as having the tag applied (only the 22 messages showed in 
>> the
>> smart mailbox prior).
>>
>> I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or there's some kind of bug
>> in the app. I would appreciate if someone else could try these steps
>> and see if they get similar results or can point out something I'm
>> missing.
>
> You have probably found some bug(s). I don't think changing Gmail 
> label
> mappings in the Tags preferences pane is 100% robust. It might some
> times require relaunching MailMate before the changes are updated. 
> Also,
> it might take some time before changes done server side propagate to
> MailMate. It's all a bit tricky to get to work properly, especially
> because “[Gmail]/All Mail” is involved.
>
> Debugging is easier if you can describe as simple steps as possible to
> reproduce an issue with a single message (if possible). Then I can try
> to reproduce it.
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:28:07 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Outlook users have long lines to read when I send
> 	them emails
> Message-ID: <5A9254F1-57DE-472D-81AC-7AD91C73AE8F at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> On 9 Sep 2016, at 15:51, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
>
>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:48, Mark McCullagh wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, using MailMate for a while but just got a complaint from a 
>>> friend
>>> who uses Outlook and says that he has to scroll miles to the right 
>>> to
>>> read a whole paragraph I write.
>>>
>>> Is there a MailMate setting that will put in hard returns to prevent
>>> this?
>>
>> Trying to fix the wrong problem. :-)
>
> :) Unfortunately I've learned that no matter which email client or
> server is to blame for an issue then it boils down to being my 
> problem.
> Microsoft is certainly not going to fix anything.
>
> @Mark: The problem is probably related to MailMate now allowing the 
> user
> to explicitly style outgoing messages. *Ironically*, this is mainly
> allowed because email clients like Outlook are really bad at handling
> unstyled HTML messages (e.g., displaying them using an “ugly” 
> font).
>
> Do you know which Outlook client we are dealing with here? Desktop or
> webmail? Platform?
>
> (It's a bit tricky to debug when/if I cannot access the receiving 
> email
> client.)
>
> I suspect it's related to how MailMate specifies line wrapping should 
> be
> done and this might mean that the browser used could also be the issue
> (if it's Outlook webmail).
>
> If you can share an example email then it could be helpful. Use 
> “Help
> ▸ Send Feedback” and then drag the email onto the composer text
> field to attach it. Alternatively, I'd like a screenshot of your
> settings in the Composer preferences pane.
>
> Oh, and just for the record: Hardwrapping is not a solution I would
> consider. It'll have to be fixed some other way.
>
> -- 
> Benny
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 17:50:37 +0200
> From: "Esteban Umerez Argaia" <esteban at umerez.eu>
> To: mailmate at lists.freron.com
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22
> Message-ID: <9062A859-D1FA-49C3-8E3C-1F1AF7745FB8 at umerez.eu>
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> That’s right, MailMate fetches emails when focusing on the folder. 
> And
> there does not seem to be an easy solution, since I do want to
> automatically sync my mail when I’m on my regular schedule. What I
> want to do is, every once in a while, “ok, I need to concentrate on
> this project for the next 3 hours, so I don’t want to know that I 
> have
> any unattended emails, but I still want to be able to launch MailMate
> and draft or send messages if something comes up to my mind”.
>
> So far, turning off every notification on MailMate, hiding the 
> Mailboxes
> sidebar and focusing on an empty folder seems to do the trick. I still
> tend to go to my Inbox and freak out with any new message, but I guess
> that’s a behavior I have to learn to change.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Esteban
>
> On 9 Sep 2016, at 15:48, mailmate-request at lists.freron.com wrote:
>
>> So you want to stay online, but not check for messages. What about
>>> setting **Mailbox > Synchronization Schedule** to **Manually**?
>>
>> does not work - mailmate will fetch when putting folder in focus.
>>
>> /max
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