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<div style="font-family:sans-serif"><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><div dir="auto">Re Outlook and line returns -- problem solved, switched from "plain text" to "Markdown" in composition window, by selecting "Generate HTML even if only for styling" and selecting "Markdown" as markup language.
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</div><div dir="auto">Thanks for responses!
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</div><div dir="auto">Mark
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</div><div dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2016, at 12:00, mailmate-request@lists.freron.com wrote:
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</div><div dir="auto">Today's Topics:
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</div><div dir="auto"> 1. Re: Outlook users have long lines to read when I send them
</div><div dir="auto"> emails (John D. Muccigrosso)
</div><div dir="auto"> 2. Re: Feature Request: BCC warning/intro (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
</div><div dir="auto"> 3. Re: Stop automatic download of incoming messages
</div><div dir="auto"> (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
</div><div dir="auto"> 4. Re: Stop automatic download of incoming messages
</div><div dir="auto"> (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
</div><div dir="auto"> 5. Re: Tags/Keywords and Gmail Labels (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
</div><div dir="auto"> 6. Re: Outlook users have long lines to read when I send them
</div><div dir="auto"> emails (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
</div><div dir="auto"> 7. Re: mailmate Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22 (Esteban Umerez Argaia)
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 1
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 09:51:58 -0400
</div><div dir="auto">From: "John D. Muccigrosso" <muccigrosso@icloud.com>
</div><div dir="auto">To: MailMate Users <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] Outlook users have long lines to read when I send
</div><div dir="auto"> them emails
</div><div dir="auto">Message-ID: <850F21FA-0675-4D19-AD57-CFD4AEC39381@icloud.com>
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</div><div dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:48, Mark McCullagh wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">Hi, using MailMate for a while but just got a complaint from a friend
</div><div dir="auto">who uses Outlook and says that he has to scroll miles to the right to
</div><div dir="auto">read a whole paragraph I write.
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</div><div dir="auto">Is there a MailMate setting that will put in hard returns to prevent
</div><div dir="auto">this?
</div></blockquote><div dir="auto">
</div><div dir="auto">Trying to fix the wrong problem. :-)
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</div><div dir="auto">John
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 2
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:05:15 +0200
</div><div dir="auto">From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist@freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: BCC warning/intro
</div><div dir="auto">Message-ID: <5F35E245-A7D2-49B1-8AF8-5BA697DB3CBA@freron.com>
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</div><div dir="auto">On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:43, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">Yes. It still doesn’t work for me. Version 2.0BETA (6054)
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</div><div dir="auto">I'm afraid it's only in the 1.9.5 release at this time :)
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</div><div dir="auto">(The Sierra release date is now official. My focus will be on getting
</div><div dir="auto">1.9.5 out of beta state and also completing an update of the homepage.)
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</div><div dir="auto">Benny
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 3
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:06:34 +0200
</div><div dir="auto">From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist@freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] Stop automatic download of incoming messages
</div><div dir="auto">Message-ID: <2D723BCD-CFC5-4104-BF3F-D68465156600@freron.com>
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</div><div dir="auto">On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:14, Esteban Umerez Argaia wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">Is there any way to stop automatic downloading of the incoming
</div><div dir="auto">messages.
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</div><div dir="auto">Only by taking account(s) offline using “Mailbox ▸ Take Offline”
</div><div dir="auto">after selecting them under SOURCES in the mailbox list. This does not
</div><div dir="auto">prevent you from sending emails.
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</div><div dir="auto">Benny
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 4
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:10:01 +0200
</div><div dir="auto">From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist@freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] Stop automatic download of incoming messages
</div><div dir="auto">Message-ID: <3DA8E308-1E50-4503-99F0-5F6DDA09E1D3@freron.com>
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</div><div dir="auto">On 8 Sep 2016, at 20:35, John Cooper wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">Max Rydahl Andersen wrote (at 11:18 on 8 Sep 2016):
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><div dir="auto">On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:54, John Cooper wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><div dir="auto">So you want to stay online, but not check for messages. What about
</div><div dir="auto">setting **Mailbox > Synchronization Schedule** to **Manually**?
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</div><div dir="auto">does not work - mailmate will fetch when putting folder in focus.
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</div><div dir="auto">That's surprising. When this option is set, the intuitive result would
</div><div dir="auto">be only to fetch when using **Mailbox > Synchronize "<account>"** or
</div><div dir="auto">its associated shortcut.
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</div><div dir="auto">Synchronization schedule is mainly intended to control how much work
</div><div dir="auto">MailMate does when idle, in particular, how often each mailbox in the
</div><div dir="auto">account is checked for new messages. I can understand that it can be a
</div><div dir="auto">bit counter intuitive that it's “overridden” when selecting a
</div><div dir="auto">mailbox, but this is a feature.
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</div><div dir="auto">I've got some notes written down about how some kind of flexible “do
</div><div dir="auto">not disturb” feature could be implemented, but it's not something I've
</div><div dir="auto">done any work on yet.
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</div><div dir="auto">Benny
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 5
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:17:35 +0200
</div><div dir="auto">From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist@freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] Tags/Keywords and Gmail Labels
</div><div dir="auto">Message-ID: <2BE7874C-1A3F-41D8-965E-90B74901BF8B@freron.com>
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</div><div dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:03, Jim McCarty wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">While playing around with tags/keywords and Gmail labels, I found that
</div><div dir="auto">applying a label to a group of messages in a folder (22 of them, there
</div><div dir="auto">are 3 in sent messages that are not selected), then adding the Gmail
</div><div dir="auto">Label to the tag preference entry, all of the emails disappear. I
</div><div dir="auto">can't find them using tags or searching for the prefix applied to the
</div><div dir="auto">subject of all the list emails. Removing the Gmail label from the tag
</div><div dir="auto">entry allows them to be found again.
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</div><div dir="auto">If I do this over and over, I get a couple different results.
</div><div dir="auto">Sometimes after applying the tag and then adding the Gmail label,
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</div><div dir="auto">Setting the label server side?
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">the smart mailbox I have set to look for the tag shows messages that
</div><div dir="auto">are in the sent folder (the 3 messages) but none of the messages I
</div><div dir="auto">selected and added the label to. When I remove the Gmail Label from
</div><div dir="auto">the tag preference entry, the messages reappear but sometimes they no
</div><div dir="auto">longer have the tag/keyword attached, sometimes they do.
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</div><div dir="auto">I did one run where I made sure only the 22 messages had the tag and
</div><div dir="auto">the 3 sent messages did not but adding the Gmail label to the tag
</div><div dir="auto">preference prevented access to the 22 messages and showed the 3 sent
</div><div dir="auto">messages as having the tag applied (only the 22 messages showed in the
</div><div dir="auto">smart mailbox prior).
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</div><div dir="auto">I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or there's some kind of bug
</div><div dir="auto">in the app. I would appreciate if someone else could try these steps
</div><div dir="auto">and see if they get similar results or can point out something I'm
</div><div dir="auto">missing.
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</div><div dir="auto">You have probably found some bug(s). I don't think changing Gmail label
</div><div dir="auto">mappings in the Tags preferences pane is 100% robust. It might some
</div><div dir="auto">times require relaunching MailMate before the changes are updated. Also,
</div><div dir="auto">it might take some time before changes done server side propagate to
</div><div dir="auto">MailMate. It's all a bit tricky to get to work properly, especially
</div><div dir="auto">because “[Gmail]/All Mail” is involved.
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</div><div dir="auto">Debugging is easier if you can describe as simple steps as possible to
</div><div dir="auto">reproduce an issue with a single message (if possible). Then I can try
</div><div dir="auto">to reproduce it.
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</div><div dir="auto">Benny
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 6
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 16:28:07 +0200
</div><div dir="auto">From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist@freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] Outlook users have long lines to read when I send
</div><div dir="auto"> them emails
</div><div dir="auto">Message-ID: <5A9254F1-57DE-472D-81AC-7AD91C73AE8F@freron.com>
</div><div dir="auto">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
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</div><div dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2016, at 15:51, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:48, Mark McCullagh wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><div dir="auto">Hi, using MailMate for a while but just got a complaint from a friend
</div><div dir="auto">who uses Outlook and says that he has to scroll miles to the right to
</div><div dir="auto">read a whole paragraph I write.
</div><div dir="auto">
</div><div dir="auto">Is there a MailMate setting that will put in hard returns to prevent
</div><div dir="auto">this?
</div></blockquote><div dir="auto">
</div><div dir="auto">Trying to fix the wrong problem. :-)
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</div><div dir="auto">:) Unfortunately I've learned that no matter which email client or
</div><div dir="auto">server is to blame for an issue then it boils down to being my problem.
</div><div dir="auto">Microsoft is certainly not going to fix anything.
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</div><div dir="auto">@Mark: The problem is probably related to MailMate now allowing the user
</div><div dir="auto">to explicitly style outgoing messages. *Ironically*, this is mainly
</div><div dir="auto">allowed because email clients like Outlook are really bad at handling
</div><div dir="auto">unstyled HTML messages (e.g., displaying them using an “ugly” font).
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</div><div dir="auto">Do you know which Outlook client we are dealing with here? Desktop or
</div><div dir="auto">webmail? Platform?
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</div><div dir="auto">(It's a bit tricky to debug when/if I cannot access the receiving email
</div><div dir="auto">client.)
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</div><div dir="auto">I suspect it's related to how MailMate specifies line wrapping should be
</div><div dir="auto">done and this might mean that the browser used could also be the issue
</div><div dir="auto">(if it's Outlook webmail).
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</div><div dir="auto">If you can share an example email then it could be helpful. Use “Help
</div><div dir="auto">▸ Send Feedback” and then drag the email onto the composer text
</div><div dir="auto">field to attach it. Alternatively, I'd like a screenshot of your
</div><div dir="auto">settings in the Composer preferences pane.
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</div><div dir="auto">Oh, and just for the record: Hardwrapping is not a solution I would
</div><div dir="auto">consider. It'll have to be fixed some other way.
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</div><div dir="auto">Message: 7
</div><div dir="auto">Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 17:50:37 +0200
</div><div dir="auto">From: "Esteban Umerez Argaia" <esteban@umerez.eu>
</div><div dir="auto">To: mailmate@lists.freron.com
</div><div dir="auto">Subject: Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22
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</div><div dir="auto">That’s right, MailMate fetches emails when focusing on the folder. And
</div><div dir="auto">there does not seem to be an easy solution, since I do want to
</div><div dir="auto">automatically sync my mail when I’m on my regular schedule. What I
</div><div dir="auto">want to do is, every once in a while, “ok, I need to concentrate on
</div><div dir="auto">this project for the next 3 hours, so I don’t want to know that I have
</div><div dir="auto">any unattended emails, but I still want to be able to launch MailMate
</div><div dir="auto">and draft or send messages if something comes up to my mind”.
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</div><div dir="auto">So far, turning off every notification on MailMate, hiding the Mailboxes
</div><div dir="auto">sidebar and focusing on an empty folder seems to do the trick. I still
</div><div dir="auto">tend to go to my Inbox and freak out with any new message, but I guess
</div><div dir="auto">that’s a behavior I have to learn to change.
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</div><div dir="auto">Thanks for your thoughts.
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</div><div dir="auto">Esteban
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</div><div dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2016, at 15:48, mailmate-request@lists.freron.com wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">So you want to stay online, but not check for messages. What about
</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><div dir="auto">setting **Mailbox > Synchronization Schedule** to **Manually**?
</div></blockquote><div dir="auto">
</div><div dir="auto">does not work - mailmate will fetch when putting folder in focus.
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</div><div dir="auto">/max
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