[MlMt] cannot send email via fastmail in mailmate

[Megan Price]

Thanks Guy and Benny for your quick responses!  I removed the old app 
password, created a new one, restarted mailmate, and all seems to be 
working now.

Thanks,
mep

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>    4. Re: Marking messages as read on open; Mailing Lists smart
>       folder (Bill Cole)
>    5. Re: Threaded view: new messages hidden in collapsed threads
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>       quick filters (/a la/ Thunderbird), filter order (Benny Kjær 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 10:42:16 -0700
> From: "Megan Price" <mprice.stat at gmail.com>
> To: mailmate at lists.freron.com
> Subject: [MlMt] cannot send email via fastmail in mailmate
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> Hello all - I am currently unable to send mail through mail mate using
> my fastmail account.  I have followed the fast mail documentation for
> setting up my imap and smtp servers and have generated and am using an
> app password.  I can receive mail sent to my fast mail account, and I
> can both send and receive mail via my gmail account.  But I cannot 
> send
> mail through mail mate via my fast mail account.  I do not receive any
> error messages, the messages just sit in my draft box forever.
>
> Interestingly, some of the messages do display a progress bar under 
> the
> “state” column, but it never actually makes progress.  Other
> messages display “pending submission” under state.  All display
> “not available” under the pending submission column.
>
> I have reviewed these two topics:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg03175.html
> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg03355.html
>
> And have tried sending with the Activity log open.  In the log under
> smtp I get flashes of “AUTH PLAIN” and “AUTH LOGIN”.  In both
> the log and the file ~/Library/Application\
> Support/MailMate/Sources.plist) my smtp address contains an odd %40 in
> the middle of my address.  I've checked and edited the mailbox 
> settings
> a number of times, and this does not actually appear in the editable
> settings that I can see.
>
> Thanks for any guidance.
>
> Megan
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> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 19:53:21 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] cannot send email via fastmail in mailmate
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> On 3 Jul 2017, at 19:42, Megan Price wrote:
>
>> Hello all - I am currently unable to send mail through mail mate 
>> using
>> my fastmail account.  I have followed the fast mail documentation for
>> setting up my imap and smtp servers and have generated and am using 
>> an
>> app password.  I can receive mail sent to my fast mail account, and I
>> can both send and receive mail via my gmail account.  But I cannot
>> send mail through mail mate via my fast mail account.  I do not
>> receive any error messages, the messages just sit in my draft box
>> forever.
>>
>> Interestingly, some of the messages do display a progress bar under
>> the “state” column, but it never actually makes progress.  Other
>> messages display “pending submission” under state.  All display
>> “not available” under the pending submission column.
>
> You can generate logs for me as follows:
>
> * Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0).
> * Relaunch MailMate.
> * After you have seen some activity for SMTP in the Activity Viewer, 
> use
> “Help ▸ Send Server Logs”.
>
> I'm not sure why MailMate does not report an error, but maybe the logs
> can help. It seems like MailMate might be in some kind of retry-loop.
>
> I would prefer if you also update to the latest test release: Hold 
> down
> ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences
> pane.
>
>> And have tried sending with the Activity log open.  In the log under
>> smtp I get flashes of “AUTH PLAIN” and “AUTH LOGIN”.  In both
>> the log and the file ~/Library/Application\
>> Support/MailMate/Sources.plist) my smtp address contains an odd %40 
>> in
>> the middle of my address.  I've checked and edited the mailbox
>> settings a number of times, and this does not actually appear in the
>> editable settings that I can see.
>
> The `%40` is just the URL encoding of `@`. It should not be a problem.
>
> -- 
> Benny
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:14:40 +1000
> From: "Guy Boanas" <guyb at fastmail.fm>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] cannot send email via fastmail in mailmate
> Message-ID: <1F2801B3-2698-4110-B493-0F094C161ECC at fastmail.fm>
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>
> I had this problem a few days back with both my fastmail and gmail
> accounts showing the same. A Fastmail person was very helpful and 
> after
> following instructions the problem ended. He suggested:
>
> reconfigure the email client from scratch:
>    - Delete all existing email client settings
>    - Reboot/restart the machine
>    - Reconfigure it from scratch using the server details here:
> https://www.fastmail.com/help/technical/servernamesandports.html
>    - Make sure that you delete the existing app password for the 
> client
> from your account and create a new one while reconfiguring the client.
> https://www.fastmail.com/help/clients/apppassword.html
>
> The screenshot on the FM site for mailmate configuration shows no
> numbers for the ports when actually they are required and this is
> mentioned in other of their documents. I think it was this confusion
> plus some caching issues which were causing problems.
>
>
>
> On 4 Jul 2017, at 3:42, Megan Price wrote:
>
>> Hello all - I am currently unable to send mail through mail mate 
>> using
>> my fastmail account.  I have followed the fast mail documentation for
>> setting up my imap and smtp servers and have generated and am using 
>> an
>> app password.  I can receive mail sent to my fast mail account, and I
>> can both send and receive mail via my gmail account.  But I cannot
>> send mail through mail mate via my fast mail account.  I do not
>> receive any error messages, the messages just sit in my draft box
>> forever.
>>
>> Interestingly, some of the messages do display a progress bar under
>> the “state” column, but it never actually makes progress.  Other
>> messages display “pending submission” under state.  All display
>> “not available” under the pending submission column.
>>
>> I have reviewed these two topics:
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg03175.html
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg03355.html
>>
>> And have tried sending with the Activity log open.  In the log under
>> smtp I get flashes of “AUTH PLAIN” and “AUTH LOGIN”.  In both
>> the log and the file ~/Library/Application\
>> Support/MailMate/Sources.plist) my smtp address contains an odd %40 
>> in
>> the middle of my address.  I've checked and edited the mailbox
>> settings a number of times, and this does not actually appear in the
>> editable settings that I can see.
>>
>> Thanks for any guidance.
>>
>> Megan_______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:30:48 -0400
> From: "Bill Cole" <mmlist-20120120 at billmail.scconsult.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Marking messages as read on open; Mailing Lists
> 	smart folder
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> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:54, Patrick Pritchard wrote:
>
>> 1. In the Mailing Lists smart folder, sometimes new “lists” are
>> created with absolute gibberish for names, such as
>> “6141152_5959791”.  I surmise that this is because the senders 
>> are
>> using auto-email generators to email in bulk, and MlMt is grouping
>> these accordingly…
>
> Yes, and it's even worse: some of these set the "List-Id" header to
> something different for every message. It's a misuse of the header and
> breaks (I suspect intentionally...) the utility of the header as
> designed. The worst offenders in my opinion with this are the
> spam-for-hire operators ExactTarget & MailChimp, who get that ranking
> because they send enough legit mail that I can't just junk all of it.
>
>> Is there a way to fix this and/or adjust this?  After a day I may 
>> have
>> 10 “new” mailing lists show up, which aren’t actually lists.
>> (But legitimate lists do show up, legitimately, which is nice!).
>
> To handle the aforementioned miscreants, I've added conditions to my
> Mailing Lists mailbox that the List-Id header does not contain
> 'list-id.mcsv.net' or 'xt.local' which are fingerprints of MailChimp 
> and
> ExactTarget respectively.
>
> Another approach I use for my most active discussion lists is that I
> sort them on arrival into their own IMAP (not "Smart") mailboxes that
> are all inside a "Lists" folder, so that I can then have a "Smart"
> mailbox that contains the past fortnight of messages from all 
> mailboxes
> underneath "Lists" split into submailboxes by mailbox name. This is 
> also
> helpful for mailing lists that don't use List-Id headers, since the
> rules sorting messages on arrival can target whatever arbitrary header
> fingerprints work for a particular list.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:51:23 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Threaded view: new messages hidden in collapsed
> 	threads
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> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:58, John Cooper wrote:
>
>> Are there any settings, hidden or otherwise, that show new received
>> replies in expanded threads? I find threaded view indispensible, but
>> when new messages come in, they're hidden in collapsed threads. And 
>> if
>> there was no thread before (that is, if only the initial message
>> previously existed), the new thread is always collapsed. I use
>> option-right arrow to open the threads many times a day. More if I
>> forget the option key. I think I'm about to wear it out.
>
> I think you might be looking for “Message ▸ Next Unread 
> Message”.
> (There are no options for auto-expanding when new messages arrive if
> that's your question.)
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:48:36 +0200
> From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Three questions: signature on new email (doesn't
> 	work?), quick filters (/a la/ Thunderbird), filter order
> Message-ID: <1A351B20-55F9-4D29-8CF6-1759A84D5966 at freron.com>
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> On 28 Jun 2017, at 15:57, Andrew V. Jones wrote:
>
> You already got some answers, but I'll add a few notes to clarify a 
> few
> things.
>
>> I have just moved from Thunderbird to MailMate, after experiencing
>> issues with reliability in Thunderbird. So far, my experience with
>> MailMate has been great, and I have purchased a license for it.
>
> Thanks for the support!
>
>> However, I am still suffering three niggles …
>>
>>    1) signature on new emails: one thing I liked about Thunderbird 
>> was
>> that it could auto-insert a signature only to new emails; indeed
>> MailMate claims to support this by:
>>
>>> defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDynamicSignatureMethod -string
>>> messageType
>>
>>    however, this really doesn’t work for me at all — I still have
>> to manually insert my signature (which is a bit annoying). Any
>> suggestions?
>
> You should click “Reset Usage History” in the Signatures 
> preferences
> pane to make sure MailMate doesn't remember anything wrong. After you
> add a signature to a new message then MailMate should remember it for
> future messages from the same sending address.
>
> Also, the GUI options described in one of the replies only exist in a
> special
> [2.0BETA](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/2.0/archives/MailMate2Beta.tbz)
> variant of MailMate. It has a few extra GUI options, but is mostly
> identical to the 1.9.x releases.
>
>>    2) Is there anyway to do “quick filtering” of an inbox like in
>> Thunderbird, where it filters (quickly) based only on the subject? I
>> guess I could type in “subject:<query>” every time, but that’s
>> also not terrible efficient
>
> A single click on the subject in the headers view should also do this.
>
>>    3) Order of results: I have my inbox ordered such that the most
>> recent emails should appear at the top, and my sent items in the 
>> other
>> way (not sure why); however when I search for things, MailMate seems
>> to arbitrarily chose an order to sort the results (worse: if I
>> searching my inbox, it sorts it in the sent items order!) — does
>> anyone else see this?
>
> Searches switch (by default) to “All Messages”. You can setup this
> mailbox for your preferred style.
>
> -- 
> Benny
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