[MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Ralph Alvy]

Okay. Here's what I see.

I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.

I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.

I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days.

But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted in Spam.

So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct?


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
> So to recap (please correct any errors):
> 
>  * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does *not* exist on the Fastmail server.
> 
>  * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt.
> 
>  * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side.
> 
>  * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side.
> 
>  * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2).
> 
> If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are:
> 
>  * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land?
> 
>  * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped?
> 
> 
> On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> 
> 
>> I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>> But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700)
>>>> Ralph Alvy <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>>>> is rumored to have said:
>>>> 
>>>> > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the 
>>>> > raw message:
>>>> >
>>>> > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
>>>> > X-Spam-known-sender: no
>>>> > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
>>>> > X-Spam-score: 7.2
>>>> > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, 
>>>> > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
>>>> >   HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001,
>>>> >   RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001,
>>>> >   URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 
>>>> > 3.4.2
>>>> 
>>>> That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider 
>>>> put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is 
>>>> significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but 
>>>> the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one 
>>>> issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates 
>>>> that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the 
>>>> Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL 
>>>> to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does 
>>>> happen.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Bill Cole
>>>> bill at scconsult.com or billcole at apache.org
>>>> (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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