[MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Ralph Alvy]

I also forgot to mention that the Junk folder has no rules or conditions. It simply mirrors the Spam folder, which Fastmail uses.

Okay to just delete it now?

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> Okay. Here's what I see.
> 
> I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.
> 
> I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.
> 
> I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days.
> 
> But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted in Spam.
> 
> So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>> So to recap (please correct any errors):
>> 
>>  * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder does *not* exist on the Fastmail server.
>> 
>>  * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt.
>> 
>>  * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side.
>> 
>>  * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but *not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side.
>> 
>>  * The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2).
>> 
>> If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are:
>> 
>>  * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land?
>> 
>>  * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped?
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>> But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700)
>>>>> Ralph Alvy <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>>>>> is rumored to have said:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the 
>>>>> > raw message:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
>>>>> > X-Spam-known-sender: no
>>>>> > X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
>>>>> > X-Spam-score: 7.2
>>>>> > X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, 
>>>>> > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
>>>>> >   HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001,
>>>>> >   RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001,
>>>>> >   URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 
>>>>> > 3.4.2
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider 
>>>>> put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is 
>>>>> significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but 
>>>>> the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one 
>>>>> issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates 
>>>>> that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the 
>>>>> Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL 
>>>>> to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does 
>>>>> happen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Bill Cole
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>>>>> (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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