[MlMt] double sent mail outlook.com

[Angelo Machils]

Hello,

I can’t seem to find such an option in Office365/Outlook (web) 
anywhere. I have also a business account on Office365 through my work, 
and strangely enough, there this doesn’t happen?!


Regards,

Angelo Machils


On 20 Feb 2018, at 11:44, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:48, Angelo Machils wrote:
>
> Sorry about the late response.
>
>> No, it's on the server that I see the second copy of the sent email. 
>> A little later it also shows up in MailMate.
>
> Ok, that does sound like Outlook is saving emails sent with SMTP.
>
>> I can't find any setting in outlook.com to that effect, and even if 
>> there were such a setting, it would be not of a lot of use. Because 
>> when I have to use the webmail, the sent mail would not be saved.
>
> No, the setting I'm looking for is something like: “Don't save 
> copies in IMAP account when email clients use SMTP.” Most often, 
> SMTP and IMAP are completely separate things and this wouldn't be an 
> issue at all. It is the client's responsibility to save sent messages. 
> Some email servers are now “smarter”, but it's badly standardized 
> and not quite clear how an email client should behave. Since Gmail 
> does this then one could argue that it's now the norm, but I don't 
> consider Gmail standard in any way ;-)
>
> (What webmail does is irrelevant since webmail is its own client and 
> it should naturally always save sent messages.)
>
> Technically, I believe the underlying bandwidth optimization problem 
> is better solved by [this RFC](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4468), 
> but MailMate doesn't support this extension and I'm actually not sure 
> if or how many SMTP servers support it.
>
>> Isn't there a settings in MailMate where I can turn off saving sent 
>> mails per account?
>
> No, and it's partly because I'm unsure how to implement it without 
> risking losing sent messages. I would prefer a solution which ensures 
> that MailMate doesn't delete it until it has found and downloaded the 
> copy saved by the server. This includes verifying that it's an 
> identical copy, for example, Gmail some times rewrites headers and 
> I'll be blamed for that if MailMate doesn't somehow record what it 
> really sent.
>
> In other words, I would prefer a feature like “Detect and delete 
> duplicates” (for Sent Messages) rather than “Don't save sent 
> messages”, but in practice the first is just a safer variant of the 
> latter.
>
> But the answer is still: No, MailMate does not currently have the 
> feature you are looking for.
>
> -- 
> Benny
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>
>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen 
>> <mailinglist at freron.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 Feb 2018, at 9:43, Angelo Machils wrote:
>>>
>>> When I sent an email through my Hotmail account, it turns out that 
>>> on the
>>>> server for every sent mail, there is a second copy. MailMate 
>>>> doesn’t show
>>>> this second copy in the Sent folder, but I just found out that on 
>>>> the
>>>> web-app for outlook.com, every sent mail has a second copy.
>>>>
>>>> Can I change this behaviour somewhere?
>>>>
>>>
>>> If it's because the server saves a copy in the mailbox for sent 
>>> messages
>>> then there might be a server setting to prevent this.
>>>
>>> Since you cannot see both copies in webmail then I also suspect that 
>>> there
>>> is a synchronization issue. Check that the mailbox for sent messages 
>>> is
>>> online when you look at it under SOURCES in the mailbox list. (It's 
>>> not
>>> online if it's greyed out.)


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