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<p dir="auto">I can’t seem to find such an option in Office365/Outlook (web) anywhere. I have also a business account on Office365 through my work, and strangely enough, there this doesn’t happen?!</p>
<br><p dir="auto">Regards,</p>
<p dir="auto">Angelo Machils</p>
<br><p dir="auto">On 20 Feb 2018, at 11:44, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:48, Angelo Machils wrote:</p>
<p dir="auto">Sorry about the late response.</p>
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<div style="white-space:normal"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">No, it's on the server that I see the second copy of the sent email. A little later it also shows up in MailMate.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Ok, that does sound like Outlook is saving emails sent with SMTP.</p>
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<div style="white-space:normal"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">I can't find any setting in outlook.com to that effect, and even if there were such a setting, it would be not of a lot of use. Because when I have to use the webmail, the sent mail would not be saved.</p>
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<p dir="auto">No, the setting I'm looking for is something like: “Don't save copies in IMAP account when email clients use SMTP.” Most often, SMTP and IMAP are completely separate things and this wouldn't be an issue at all. It is the client's responsibility to save sent messages. Some email servers are now “smarter”, but it's badly standardized and not quite clear how an email client should behave. Since Gmail does this then one could argue that it's now the norm, but I don't consider Gmail standard in any way ;-)</p>
<p dir="auto">(What webmail does is irrelevant since webmail is its own client and it should naturally always save sent messages.)</p>
<p dir="auto">Technically, I believe the underlying bandwidth optimization problem is better solved by <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4468" style="color:#3983C4">this RFC</a>, but MailMate doesn't support this extension and I'm actually not sure if or how many SMTP servers support it.</p>
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<div style="white-space:normal"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">Isn't there a settings in MailMate where I can turn off saving sent mails per account?</p>
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<p dir="auto">No, and it's partly because I'm unsure how to implement it without risking losing sent messages. I would prefer a solution which ensures that MailMate doesn't delete it until it has found and downloaded the copy saved by the server. This includes verifying that it's an identical copy, for example, Gmail some times rewrites headers and I'll be blamed for that if MailMate doesn't somehow record what it really sent.</p>
<p dir="auto">In other words, I would prefer a feature like “Detect and delete duplicates” (for Sent Messages) rather than “Don't save sent messages”, but in practice the first is just a safer variant of the latter.</p>
<p dir="auto">But the answer is still: No, MailMate does not currently have the feature you are looking for.</p>
<p dir="auto">-- <br>
Benny<br>
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<div style="white-space:normal"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen <mailinglist@freron.com><br>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><p dir="auto">On 4 Feb 2018, at 9:43, Angelo Machils wrote:<br>
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When I sent an email through my Hotmail account, it turns out that on the</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">server for every sent mail, there is a second copy. MailMate doesn’t show<br>
this second copy in the Sent folder, but I just found out that on the<br>
web-app for outlook.com, every sent mail has a second copy.<br>
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Can I change this behaviour somewhere?<br>
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</blockquote><p dir="auto">If it's because the server saves a copy in the mailbox for sent messages<br>
then there might be a server setting to prevent this.<br>
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Since you cannot see both copies in webmail then I also suspect that there<br>
is a synchronization issue. Check that the mailbox for sent messages is<br>
online when you look at it under SOURCES in the mailbox list. (It's not<br>
online if it's greyed out.)</p>
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