[MlMt] Using Gmail

[Jon Garrison]

I use mailmate with my personal (vanilla IMAP) account and my work email 
that is google apps for business. They both seem the same.

I don't have ANY issues with gmail, but I have pretty basic labeling. 
Basically I treat them like folders, but I do have some server side 
rules that result in mail getting multiple labels and I don't see any 
issues.

I get email on time without delays which is what I wasn't getting with 
mail.app...

I do bounce to the web client to make filters/labels and occasionally 
for the port 80/443 when outbound SMTP is blocked by whatever client 
site network I am on.

Jon

On 16 May 2014, at 3:41, Gary Hull wrote:

> If you have a lot of legacy e-mail in a Gmail account, then I 
> certainly understand that MailMate support for Gmail labels would be 
> helpful. But it sounds like you recently moved to Gmail. In that case, 
> make sure that you take a close look at MailMate's smart mailboxes, at 
> at tags.
>
> For instance, I used labels on Gmail for messages related to a 
> particular business line. But in MailMate I'm able to cover that with 
> an (admittedly super complex) smart mailbox that doesn't take any 
> maintenance on my part. (The mailbox picks up on e-mail domains, 
> names, keywords in the mail body, etc.) (In a worst case scenario, if 
> a few things fall through the cracks, you can pick them up in the 
> smart mailbox by adding an ANY ... tag = [___] in there at the end of 
> the conditions and manually apply tags.
>
> Tags are pretty much labels, but they don't map back and forth to 
> Gmail. After getting things set up, however, you really never need to 
> log into the Gmail web interface. It's a nice web app, but in theory 
> you've made the decision to go with a Mac-side client, perhaps because 
> you have a bunch of different accounts to track. So in that case, who 
> cares if the Gmail app doesn't show the tags as labels if you're not 
> using the web app?
>
> (A question I just thought of: Are MailMate tags transferred up to 
> IMAP servers and then down again to, for instance, another MailMate 
> installation on another Macintosh? To non-MailMate IMAP clients?)
>
> On 16 May 2014, at 18:38, Alasdair Muckart wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gary,
>>
>> I completely understand the design decisions behind MailMate, and 
>> Google's strange not-quite-IMAP implementation. The reality though is 
>> that Gmail (and GIMAP) actually work *really* well, and recent 
>> comments made me wonder if there was more label-compatibility coming 
>> in MM. 
>>
>> On 16 May 2014 at 8:13:44 pm, Gary Hull (yh82d7dfu at yandex.com) wrote:
>>> My impression is that MailMate doesn't deal well with Gmail by 
>>> design,
>>> and there's no plan to natively support Gmail. MailMate is a
>>> standards-based e-mail client that follows the various IMAP RFCs. 
>>> Gmail
>>> uses an undocumented proprietary fork/hack of IMAP ("GIMAP"). 
>>> There's
>>> only one developer for MailMate, and he has to prioritize. In 
>>> addition,
>>> Google could change things at any time and break MailMate, and given 
>>> the
>>> rumors that the results of the Sparrow acquisition are about to bear
>>> fruit, it seems like it's in Google's interest to "encourage" Gmail
>>> users to migrate to Google's own PC-side client, rather than use 
>>> other
>>> clients, so if, oops!, stuff "accidentally" starts to break in other
>>> clients that try to support GIMAP, hey, that's the way the cookie
>>> crumbles.
>>>
>>> However, in the MailMate documentation there are hacks given for 
>>> those
>>> who must use Gmail, the first of which is "Don't use labels," the 
>>> second
>>> of which is "If you do you use labels use one and only one label for
>>> every each and every e-mail," and the third of which is "If you must 
>>> use
>>> labels as tags and put more than one on each e-mail, get used to a 
>>> lot
>>> of duplicated e-mails, because GIMAP presents labels as separate 
>>> folders
>>> to connecting IMAP clients."
>>>
>>> On 16 May 2014, at 16:28, Alasdair Muckart wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> For various reasons I've had to migrate all of my email out of the
>>>> 'normal' (courier) IMAP server I was using over to Google (apps for
>>>> business).
>>>>
>>>> The current documentation seems to indicate that MM still doesn't 
>>>> deal
>>>> too well with Gmail and labels, and with my current setup I really
>>>> need the labels in Gmail.
>>>>
>>>> For the moment I'm using Airmail which is nice and fast and seems 
>>>> to
>>>> handle gmails quirks Ok, but doesn't locally cache mail and is 
>>>> having
>>>> some issues actually finding all 270-odd thousand messages I have.
>>>>
>>>> I'd very much like to keep using MailMate, so I'm interested in 
>>>> what
>>>> the options are for setting it up with Gmail in a way that'll allow 
>>>> me
>>>> to keep my label setup.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> --
>>>> Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net
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>>>> little worse
>>>> and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only 
>>>> are
>>>> this man's
>>>> lawful prey." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900.
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>> "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a 
>> little worse
>> and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are 
>> this man's
>> lawful prey." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900.
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