[MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails

[dlsi]

Thanks Mattias, but I really -have- moved on. I've canceled my subscription; I've deleted all the MailMate files and completely, finally, and irrevokably ceased using it. There is no need for anyone to look further into this. I can be perfectly happy with Mail.  When I click send on this message, I'll be unsubscribing from this list. Please don't waste any more of your time which you so courteously extended to me.

Again, my best wishes to everyone.

Goodbye.

Tracy



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> From: dlsi <tracy at dlsi.biz>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
> Date: May 23, 2026 at 9:13:48 AM PDT
> To: mailmate list <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
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> 
> My thanks to everyone for your suggestions and help. I have tried everything you suggested to no avail, with the exception of wireshark. I love MM or I would not be here asking this, but frankly the problem is so obtuse that it is no longer worth the cost of tracking it down. My business runs on email, and without it my income stops. At this point, pragmatism takes over, and I have reluctantly switched to Apple Mail so that I can get back to work.
> 
> Again my thanks. I wish you all the best, but I have to move on.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tracy
> 
>> On May 21, 2026, at 9:00 AM, mailmate-request at lists.freron.com wrote:
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>>   1. Re: server is lost; disconnects; fails (ARC MM)
>>   2. server is lost; disconnects; fails (Tracy Kent Valleau)
>>   3. Re: server is lost; disconnects; fails (mat)
>> 
>> From: ARC MM <mailmate at arcict.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
>> Date: May 20, 2026 at 9:25:44 AM PDT
>> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> What version are you using ? If you are not on r6292, I recommend to move to this release.
>> 
>> Have you checked the logs in the activity viewer ?
>> 
>> disconnect your computer from the network/wifi
>> laugh MM
>> open the activity viewer window (! Don’t close it)
>> connect your computer to the network/wifi
>> let mail mail connect
>> check the logs in the activity viewer
>> more detailled logs can be found here:
>> • Help > Send Serverlogs contains an attachment with the logs, you can download and analyse them
>> Other suggestion:
>> 
>> disconnect your computer from the network/wifi
>> launch MM
>> take all accounts offline
>> connect your computer to the network/wifi
>> synchronise/take online account per account, take enough time so that the account is really synchronised
>> It is possible that one account “breaks” the connection
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ARC - your Apple Authorised Service partner	H.D. Saviolaan 8
>>  	B-1700 Dilbeek
>>  	Belgium
>> info at arcict.com <mailto:info at arcict.com>	www.arcict.com <http://www.arcict.com/>
>> tel. : +32 (0)2 466 50 00	fax. : +32 (0)2 466 88 33
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2026, at 19:03, Tracy Kent Valleau wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> Been using MM for a decade now without issue. Same server (dreamhost) same address etc. In the past few weeks, launching MM fails to connect to the server, and stay connected. I get a connection, and 20 seconds later, a disconnect and spinning pinwheels. Everything is listed as (unavailable). I cannot add or delete mailboxes. If I wait a while, the connection will come back, and MM will download my email... and then it disconnects again.
>> 
>> Furthermore, if I switch to Apple Mail (on the same computer), everything runs perfectly. No disconnects, no pauses, no drops. Yes, of course I have checked all the settings.
>> 
>> What would cause MM to struggle to stay connected, while Mail has no problems at all?
>> 
>> T Valleau
>> 
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>> 
>> From: Tracy Kent Valleau <tracy at dlsi.biz>
>> Subject: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
>> Date: May 20, 2026 at 1:21:14 PM PDT
>> To: mailmate at lists.freron.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Henry. Been there; done that.
>> 
>> I'm running a Mac Studio M2 with Tahoe 26.5. MailMate is version 2.0 (6292). I'm using ethernet from my router, not wifi. I created a new user to no avail. I did a power off of my modem and my router. No change. I purged the DNS. I rebuilt the account; I deleted the account and then re-created it. Nada.
>> 
>> I tried creating a new Outlook account. I would not "verify".
>> I tried creating a new Thunderbird account. Works perfectly. (In fact, faster than anything else).
>> I tried webmail. Works just fine.
>> I deleted and rebuilt the Mail account. Works, but slow.
>> I deleted and rebuilt the MailMate account. same thing: sometimes it connects; sometimes it drops, sometimes I get spinning pinwheels until I do a force quit.
>> I tried on my MacBook Air 4  using wifi, and MailMate took 58 seconds to connect, and then worked... until it didn't.
>> 
>> So at this point, there is a lack of consistency which makes debugging an issue. (I've been doing this kind of thing since 1978.)
>> 
>> Since it varies by software and perhaps device, I'm beginning to suspect the problem may lay with the server certificate at Dreamhost, which is self-signed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: mat <beta at admilon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
>> Date: May 20, 2026 at 5:33:51 PM PDT
>> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Tracy,
>> 
>> On 20 May 2026, at 21:21, Tracy Kent Valleau wrote:
>> 
>>> I tried creating a new Outlook account. I would not "verify".
>> might point to SSL or network layer on your box
>> 
>>> I tried creating a new Thunderbird account. Works perfectly. (In fact, faster than anything else).
>> as long as you don’t use pgp, TB’s bakes its own cake and has an outdated implementation.
>> 
>>> I tried webmail. Works just fine.
>>> I deleted and rebuilt the Mail account. Works, but slow.
>>> I deleted and rebuilt the MailMate account. same thing: sometimes it connects; sometimes it drops, sometimes I get spinning pinwheels until I do a force quit.
>> so the database is not the problem, it’s deeper.
>> 
>>> I tried on my MacBook Air 4  using wifi, and MailMate took 58 seconds to connect, and then worked... until it didn't.
>> Have you been trying also another Mac with MM?
>> Does it behave the same?
>> 
>>> 
>>> So at this point, there is a lack of consistency which makes debugging an issue. (I've been doing this kind of thing since 1978.)
>> I guess, you looked the activity monitor, have you tried Wireshark to see what’s going on?
>> 
>>> 
>>> Since it varies by software and perhaps device, I'm beginning to suspect the problem may lay with the server certificate at Dreamhost, which is self-signed.
>> 
>> a self signed cert is unacceptable for a hosting service.
>> There’s let’s encrypt and it’s free, a little script and it also gets updated in time.
>> 
>> To my experience MM is one of the best, if not the best mail-client around currently.
>> I was just looking for an alternativer for Fedora, ended up with Claws Mail and Claws would probably even not connect to a server with selfsigned cert.
>> MM is much more tolerant.
>> 
>> The behaviour you describe is quite unusual and wired, I’m curious what you’re gonna find out.
>> 
>> cheers
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> From: Matthias <beta at admilon.net>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
> Date: May 23, 2026 at 12:06:05 PM PDT
> To: mailmate at lists.freron.com
> 
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> AppleMail is really the 2nd choice ;-)
> When AppleMail and Thunderbird are working than your Network stack is
> ok. So it can be only settings.
> 
> Take a look into the log viewer, there should appear some red lines.
> Post them here. That will tell us what is going on. You can also see
> this in Wireshark. Without that log, we can only guess what's the
> problem.
> 
> One guess is, either ssl or both ssl and authentification choke.
> If you've been setting auth to CRAM-MD5 for example some dovecot
> installations behave as you describe. It's outdated. I'd also check the
> port, TLS-143 or SSL-993 for imap.
> 
> cheers
> mattias
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 23 May 2026 09:13:48 -0700
> dlsi <tracy at dlsi.biz> wrote:
> 
>> My thanks to everyone for your suggestions and help. I have tried
>> everything you suggested to no avail, with the exception of
>> wireshark. I love MM or I would not be here asking this, but frankly
>> the problem is so obtuse that it is no longer worth the cost of
>> tracking it down. My business runs on email, and without it my income
>> stops. At this point, pragmatism takes over, and I have reluctantly
>> switched to Apple Mail so that I can get back to work.
>> 
>> Again my thanks. I wish you all the best, but I have to move on.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2026, at 9:00 AM, mailmate-request at lists.freron.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Send mailmate mailing list submissions to
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>>> 	mailmate-request at lists.freron.com
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>>> than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..."
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>  1. Re: server is lost; disconnects; fails (ARC MM)
>>>  2. server is lost; disconnects; fails (Tracy Kent Valleau)
>>>  3. Re: server is lost; disconnects; fails (mat)
>>> 
>>> From: ARC MM <mailmate at arcict.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
>>> Date: May 20, 2026 at 9:25:44 AM PDT
>>> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>> 
>>> What version are you using ? If you are not on r6292, I recommend
>>> to move to this release.
>>> 
>>> Have you checked the logs in the activity viewer ?
>>> 
>>> disconnect your computer from the network/wifi
>>> laugh MM
>>> open the activity viewer window (! Don’t close it)
>>> connect your computer to the network/wifi
>>> let mail mail connect
>>> check the logs in the activity viewer
>>> more detailled logs can be found here:
>>> • Help > Send Serverlogs contains an attachment with the logs, you
>>> can download and analyse them Other suggestion:
>>> 
>>> disconnect your computer from the network/wifi
>>> launch MM
>>> take all accounts offline
>>> connect your computer to the network/wifi
>>> synchronise/take online account per account, take enough time so
>>> that the account is really synchronised It is possible that one
>>> account “breaks” the connection
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ARC - your Apple Authorised Service partner	H.D. Saviolaan 8
>>> 	B-1700 Dilbeek
>>> 	Belgium
>>> info at arcict.com <mailto:info at arcict.com>	www.arcict.com
>>> <http://www.arcict.com/> tel. : +32 (0)2 466 50 00	fax. :
>>> +32 (0)2 466 88 33
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19 May 2026, at 19:03, Tracy Kent Valleau wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello
>>> Been using MM for a decade now without issue. Same server
>>> (dreamhost) same address etc. In the past few weeks, launching MM
>>> fails to connect to the server, and stay connected. I get a
>>> connection, and 20 seconds later, a disconnect and spinning
>>> pinwheels. Everything is listed as (unavailable). I cannot add or
>>> delete mailboxes. If I wait a while, the connection will come back,
>>> and MM will download my email... and then it disconnects again.
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, if I switch to Apple Mail (on the same computer),
>>> everything runs perfectly. No disconnects, no pauses, no drops.
>>> Yes, of course I have checked all the settings.
>>> 
>>> What would cause MM to struggle to stay connected, while Mail has
>>> no problems at all?
>>> 
>>> T Valleau
>>> 
>>> mailmate mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Tracy Kent Valleau <tracy at dlsi.biz>
>>> Subject: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
>>> Date: May 20, 2026 at 1:21:14 PM PDT
>>> To: mailmate at lists.freron.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Henry. Been there; done that.
>>> 
>>> I'm running a Mac Studio M2 with Tahoe 26.5. MailMate is version
>>> 2.0 (6292). I'm using ethernet from my router, not wifi. I created
>>> a new user to no avail. I did a power off of my modem and my
>>> router. No change. I purged the DNS. I rebuilt the account; I
>>> deleted the account and then re-created it. Nada.
>>> 
>>> I tried creating a new Outlook account. I would not "verify".
>>> I tried creating a new Thunderbird account. Works perfectly. (In
>>> fact, faster than anything else). I tried webmail. Works just fine.
>>> I deleted and rebuilt the Mail account. Works, but slow.
>>> I deleted and rebuilt the MailMate account. same thing: sometimes
>>> it connects; sometimes it drops, sometimes I get spinning pinwheels
>>> until I do a force quit. I tried on my MacBook Air 4  using wifi,
>>> and MailMate took 58 seconds to connect, and then worked... until
>>> it didn't.
>>> 
>>> So at this point, there is a lack of consistency which makes
>>> debugging an issue. (I've been doing this kind of thing since 1978.)
>>> 
>>> Since it varies by software and perhaps device, I'm beginning to
>>> suspect the problem may lay with the server certificate at
>>> Dreamhost, which is self-signed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: mat <beta at admilon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails
>>> Date: May 20, 2026 at 5:33:51 PM PDT
>>> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Tracy,
>>> 
>>> On 20 May 2026, at 21:21, Tracy Kent Valleau wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I tried creating a new Outlook account. I would not "verify".
>>> might point to SSL or network layer on your box
>>> 
>>>> I tried creating a new Thunderbird account. Works perfectly. (In
>>>> fact, faster than anything else).
>>> as long as you don’t use pgp, TB’s bakes its own cake and has an
>>> outdated implementation.
>>> 
>>>> I tried webmail. Works just fine.
>>>> I deleted and rebuilt the Mail account. Works, but slow.
>>>> I deleted and rebuilt the MailMate account. same thing: sometimes
>>>> it connects; sometimes it drops, sometimes I get spinning
>>>> pinwheels until I do a force quit.
>>> so the database is not the problem, it’s deeper.
>>> 
>>>> I tried on my MacBook Air 4  using wifi, and MailMate took 58
>>>> seconds to connect, and then worked... until it didn't.
>>> Have you been trying also another Mac with MM?
>>> Does it behave the same?
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So at this point, there is a lack of consistency which makes
>>>> debugging an issue. (I've been doing this kind of thing since
>>>> 1978.)
>>> I guess, you looked the activity monitor, have you tried Wireshark
>>> to see what’s going on?
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Since it varies by software and perhaps device, I'm beginning to
>>>> suspect the problem may lay with the server certificate at
>>>> Dreamhost, which is self-signed.
>>> 
>>> a self signed cert is unacceptable for a hosting service.
>>> There’s let’s encrypt and it’s free, a little script and it also
>>> gets updated in time.
>>> 
>>> To my experience MM is one of the best, if not the best mail-client
>>> around currently. I was just looking for an alternativer for
>>> Fedora, ended up with Claws Mail and Claws would probably even not
>>> connect to a server with selfsigned cert. MM is much more tolerant.
>>> 
>>> The behaviour you describe is quite unusual and wired, I’m curious
>>> what you’re gonna find out.
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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