[MlMt] Threads and Sent Messages

[devynosborne at gmail.com]

Upon further searching and reading through the archives, I think my 
question is actually more related to how MM handles threads in general, 
especially from the point of view of someone coming to it from years of 
Gmail and Apple Mail. [This 
thread](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg12393.html) 
gets at my questions.

It sounds like “group threading” and (possibly) “conversation 
view” are on the list to implement, but haven’t been yet. I can only 
guess how complicated they are to incorporate.

I did find 
[some](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/1450-view-my-replies-in-threads) 
[tips](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg00256.html) 
for creating Smart Mailboxes that show threads together, including the 
included example Smart Mailbox “Personal Inbox with Threads”. I also 
finally saw the Threads tool, that brings up an email’s thread.

Are those the best ways to get the most consistent views of threads?

I also found some custom views. Does anyone know if these still work? 
They’re about nine and ten years old, respectively, so I imagine they 
may not.

[Better threaded 
view](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg03323.html) 
from Max Andersen

[combination of conversation and thread arc 
views](https://tech-notes.maxmasnick.com/mailmate-combination-of-conversation-and-thread-arc-views) 
from MaxMasnik

If there are other views or preferences I’m missing, please share.

(And, I’m still curious about how people use email *without* 
comprehensive views by thread. Though, after years of viewing emails in 
the context of their conversations, I find it hard to imagine not doing 
so.)

Much appreciated!

Devyn





On 11 Jan 2024, at 9:26, devynosborne at gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the help! I don’t tend to move 
> messages, though I do live in threads. It sounds this will get me 
> there.
>
> A few questions occurred to me since writing yesterday:
>
> 1. In recent years, I’ve relied heavily on Smart Folders in Apple 
> Mail for organization. Will threads appear properly in MM’s Smart 
> Folders?
>
> 2. How does this affect Gmail’s organization (or lack thereof)? (I 
> mainly use Gmail, though do intend to move more to my custom domain, 
> currently hosted with Dreamhost.)
>
> 3. Does this help to see threads when searching? As it is now when I 
> search for, say, “threads f glenn” it displays your single email 
> alone. If I right-click Find Messages > Related to "Threads and Sent 
> Messages”, it still shows just your one email. If I right-click Go 
> to Source, MM opens a new window, but still shows just your email. 
> Once the preference is enabled, would any of these views show this 
> thread? Or is there another method that I am missing? Searching is a 
> big part of my email experience, and the ability to get to a thread 
> through search is pretty critical.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Devyn
>
>
>
>
> On 10 Jan 2024, at 20:22, Glenn Parker wrote:
>
>> Devyn,
>>
>> I think you and I have similar mail browsing styles. I have enabled 
>> the preference to store sent messages with their replies, because I 
>> have a bunch of distinct IMAP folders for various parts of my email 
>> universe. I want to be able to browse the full set of messages for 
>> one category, and easily view the full thread of a conversation.
>>
>> I rarely let messages stay in the Sent folder. Instead, I move them 
>> manually to the right folder as needed, i.e., when they are 
>> initiating a new thread.
>>
>> In my experience, there’s no real downside. You may want to adjust 
>> how your auto-completion works by creating a new smart folder that 
>> contains all the messages you have sent. Using that folder in the 
>> Preferences under Composer -> Auto-Completion Sources -> Recipient 
>> Headers will give you the same (actually better, IMHO) functionality 
>> than the default configuration.
>>
>> On 10 Jan 2024, at 14:41, devynosborne at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> MaiMate newbie here again, this time with a question about the 
>>> [hidden](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences) 
>>> [preference](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/213) 
>>> to store a sent message with the message to which it is a reply. 
>>> I’m a little uncertain if this will do what I want, without 
>>> adverse affects that I haven’t considered.
>>>
>>> Basically, I always want to see the total thread, no matter how I 
>>> get to the individual message.
>>>
>>> As it is now, in my initial poking around MM, the messages in 
>>> threads are mostly shown separately (eg, in Inbox and Sent 
>>> Messages). The only place I see a complete thread is in All 
>>> Messages. In my day-to-day, if I look in my Inbox or even Sent, I 
>>> want to see the thread, so 1) I know that I did reply, 2) I can 
>>> refer to what I and others wrote, and 3) easily reply again if I 
>>> need to pester somebody about my last unanswered reply.  :-)
>>>
>>> Is this the right setting?
>>>
>>> What is the argument to *not* use this? I guess I’m so used to 
>>> organizing by thread (which I have turned on in MM), it’s hard for 
>>> me to imagine emails otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m also unclear about the address completion setting. Does that 
>>> just mean that MM may not have access to all previously used 
>>> addresses in order to suggest them again? I don’t think that’s 
>>> so critical, as I mostly email people in my Contacts.
>>>
>>> Last, I’m also unclear on this setting:
>>>> The same can be done with the following preference which completely 
>>>> changes what is shown in the “Sent Messages” standard mailbox. 
>>>> This is convenient if sent messages are not kept in dedicated 
>>>> mailboxes:
>>>>
>>>> defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSentMailbox -string 
>>>> 8F9C1062-E4F8-4949-B5DC-BAB7CDEC4110
>>>>
>>>> The value given should be the UUID of a mailbox. The UUID can be 
>>>> copied to the pasteboard using “Edit ▸ Copy” after selecting 
>>>> a mailbox.
>>>
>>> I guess I use what’s called the “Sent Messages” standard 
>>> mailbox. That seems to me to be a dedicated mailbox, unless that 
>>> means a Sent mailbox that I have created? I don’t think I 
>>> understand ‘“Sent Messages” standard mailbox’ vs 
>>> ‘dedicated mailbox’.
>>>
>>> If it helps / matters, I don’t really use tags or folders. I 
>>> mostly use Gmail, and do use its Important tag (which I figured out 
>>> how to map properly in MM), but otherwise don’t tag or reorganize 
>>> emails.
>>>
>>> I appreciate any guidance and hand holding here!
>>>
>>> Devyn_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> Glenn P. Parker
>> glenn.parker at comcast.net
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