[MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Antonio Leding]

Ahhh - ok - at least that part is solved.  So not sure if that might 
trigger a move - I don’t think it would but it might - or there could 
be a bug.

Can you find any Junk messages that do **not** have that same verbiage?

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On 25 Jul 2021, at 18:54, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the 
> Fastmail server.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>> OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in 
>> that you can configure the spam score that will inform the image 
>> checking process.
>>
>> That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and 
>> none of them have that same header information. What you posted looks 
>> like server side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar…
>>
>>
>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, 
>>> that when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. 
>>> I could be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some 
>>> digging to see if I can find a reference about this…
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in 
>>>> the raw message:
>>>>
>>>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
>>>> X-Spam-known-sender: no
>>>> X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
>>>> X-Spam-score: 7.2
>>>> X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, 
>>>> HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
>>>>   HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 
>>>> 0.001,
>>>>   RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001,
>>>>   URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 
>>>> 3.4.2
>>>> X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', 
>>>> Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US',
>>>>   FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com'
>>>> X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8'
>>>>
>>>> I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if 
>>>> that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image;
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>>>>> Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam 
>>>>> score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still 
>>>>> exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are 
>>>>> there any there?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s 
>>>>> author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via 
>>>>> SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score 
>>>>>> isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the 
>>>>>> next time it happens before moving it out of the folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any 
>>>>>>> rules possibly in effect?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its 
>>>>>>> spam state
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does 
>>>>>>>> Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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