[MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

[Ralph Alvy]

I may just uncheck that image checking box and see if that stops all this.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail server.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>> OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process.
>> 
>> That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none of them have that same header information. What you posted looks like server side spam checking like SpamAssassin or similar…
>> 
>> 
>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:19, Antonio Leding wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see if I can find a reference about this…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw message:
>>>> 
>>>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
>>>> X-Spam-known-sender: no
>>>> X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
>>>> X-Spam-score: 7.2
>>>> X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
>>>>   HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001,
>>>>   RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001,
>>>>   URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION 3.4.2
>>>> X-Spam-source: IP='192.40.173.99', Host='mailer99.gate173.rs.smtp.com', Country='US',
>>>>   FromHeader='com', MailFrom='com'
>>>> X-Spam-charsets: plain='utf-8', html='utf-8'
>>>> 
>>>> I also have image blocking check for images in Junk Folder, if that's relevant. I can't see how it is. See image;
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>>>>> Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any there?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did a quick mailer archive search and per Benny (MlMt’s author), the only 2 ways messages get moved to Junk are via SpamSieve and Rules - no other mechanism exists…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:43, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens before moving it out of the folder.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules possibly in effect?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam state
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place email in its Junk folder occasionally?
>>>>>>>> 
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