[MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

[aisrael]

Thanks. I did contact Rich on a few occasions, and he has has been quite 
responsive, but this time I wasn’t successful. I will try again.
Alain

On 10 May 2020, at 16:51, Dave C wrote:

> Email the developer. I’m sure they would like to know and/or have an 
> answer for you:
>
> info at preside.io
>
> Dave
>
>
>> I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, 
>> essentially for its customisation options (although navigating these 
>> endless menus and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). 
>> Besides Preside is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I 
>> understood correctly).
>> There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, 
>> but which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on 
>> Mailmate, they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in 
>> Mailmate (from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they 
>> disappear from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target 
>> mailbox. I thought this was because the designated Deleted mailbox 
>> was different in the 2 apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit 
>> irritating (to say the least), and I can’t seem to find a way to 
>> fix this.
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>> On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with 
>>> the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's 
>>> not a negative for  me at all.  The big pluses for me are the 
>>> customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, 
>>> which are totally compatible with MailMate.
>>>
>>> I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, 
>>> but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I 
>>> also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than 
>>> the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two 
>>> and no way to sync settings that I've found.
>>>
>>> One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always 
>>> spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are 
>>> two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch 
>>> between the two for certain emails to render properly.
>>>
>>> Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't 
>>> have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray <bwray at wraytx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fellow MailMate users,
>>>
>>>
>>> I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a 
>>> lot to unpack here.
>>>
>>> A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a 
>>> MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of 
>>> two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in 
>>> the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write 
>>> a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would 
>>> appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** 
>>> whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re 
>>> the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** 
>>> *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of 
>>> the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent 
>>> quotes if applicable.)*
>>>
>>> To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that 
>>> I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast 
>>> majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; 
>>> hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple 
>>> “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble 
>>> opinion . . .
>>>
>>> ## AltaMail
>>>
>>> - Pros
>>>    - Real-time, highly configurable notifications.
>>>    - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels.
>>>    - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards.
>>>    - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although 
>>> this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent 
>>> from my” signature lines that reference a specific device).
>>>    - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since 
>>> I haven’t yet requested help.]
>>>
>>> - Cons
>>>    - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult 
>>> to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized 
>>> screen. (Its biggest flaw.)
>>>    - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running 
>>> in background.
>>>    - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access 
>>> (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery 
>>> juice).
>>>    - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ 
>>> appearances.
>>>    - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even 
>>> when explicitly set for that device.
>>>    - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult 
>>> to navigate, and lack screen captures.
>>>    - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial.
>>>    - Doesn’t use Markdown.
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Preside
>>>
>>> - Pros
>>>    - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels.
>>>    - Vast customization options for both functionality and 
>>> look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to 
>>> get used to it.
>>>    - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent 
>>> look-and-feel with iPhone version.
>>>    - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards.
>>>    - Until you get the hang of the config options, “Profiles” 
>>> let you get a head-start on setting things to look as you want, such 
>>> as making it look remarkably like the Apple app if you’re 
>>> initially more comfortable with its visual metaphor.
>>>    - Vendor is highly responsive and helpful.
>>>    - “Freemium” model—you get nearly all the features (and 
>>> definitely all the **important** ones) for free, but can choose to 
>>> pay a yearly subscription if you want to receive a few more (minor) 
>>> features and, more to the point, support the vendor’s continuing 
>>> efforts.
>>>
>>> - Cons
>>>    - Due to vendor’s admittedly well-argued opinions about 
>>> notifications’ effect on productivity, app doesn’t provide them 
>>> in real time. (Its biggest flaw. Suggested methods to resolve this 
>>> involved considerable, potentially glitchy config which, for me at 
>>> least, didn’t prove successful.)
>>>    - Default per-email swipe behavior, as well as default ordering 
>>> of icons intended for quick action on emails, seems oriented less 
>>> toward dealing with emails and more toward getting them out of 
>>> sight.
>>>    - “Snippets” (drop-in variables, essentially) in signatures 
>>> are glitchy.
>>>    - User docs, while well-organized and apparently comprehensive, 
>>> lack screen captures.
>>>    - Doesn’t use Markdown.
>>>
>>> Finally: right now, I prefer Preside over AltaMail by a fairly wide 
>>> margin *except* for the Preside notifications shortcomings, which 
>>> really bug me. The only reliable way around it that I’ve found so 
>>> far is to let Apple Mail—or, for now, AltaMail—provide real-time 
>>> notifications and then go to Preside to view the emails themselves. 
>>> It’s a kludgy, but workable solution; **but**, if your intent is 
>>> to quit having Mail running in the background at all (although, 
>>> remember, you can’t **really** delete Mail; it only “hides” if 
>>> “deleted”), it’s a non-starter.
>>>
>>> So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to 
>>> share.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bryce Wray
>>> bwray at wraytx.com
>>> https://brycewray.com
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