[MlMt] Junk folder gets messages when Sieve unchecked

Mon Jul 26 17:17:43 EDT 2021

OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said 
earlier…

The server side is moving the message to Spam.  Then, on the MlMt side, 
you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a 
local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is 
going on in the local-Spam folder.  And actually what happens in 
local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder.

I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably 
should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold 
any advice\comment.  Perhaps others have done this and will comment….

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On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> Okay. Here's what I see.
>
> I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.
>
> I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In 
> MailMate its Type is Junk.
>
> I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't 
> before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to 
> Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while 
> keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days.
>
> But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I 
> delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in 
> Junk, it's deleted in Spam.
>
> So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether 
> since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>> So to recap (please correct any errors):
>>
>>  * There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder 
>> does *not* exist on the Fastmail server.
>>
>>  * There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same 
>> folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt.
>>
>>  * SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side.
>>
>>  * The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but 
>> *not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side.
>>
>>  * The message in question had header info that indicates it was 
>> evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score 
>> (7.2).
>>
>> If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know 
>> are:
>>
>>  * What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in 
>> which folder did it land?
>>
>>  * If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto 
>> “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped?
>>
>>
>> On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail 
>>> server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to 
>>> suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>> But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it 
>>>> did not put it in that folder.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 
>>>>> -0700)
>>>>> Ralph Alvy <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
>>>>> is rumored to have said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines 
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> raw message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
>>>>>> X-Spam-known-sender: no
>>>>>> X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
>>>>>> X-Spam-score: 7.2
>>>>>> X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248,
>>>>>> HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
>>>>>>   HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 
>>>>>> 0.001,
>>>>>>   RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS 
>>>>>> -0.001,
>>>>>>   URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, 
>>>>>> SA_VERSION
>>>>>> 3.4.2
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail 
>>>>> provider
>>>>> put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is
>>>>> significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) 
>>>>> but
>>>>> the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to 
>>>>> one
>>>>> issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit 
>>>>> indicates
>>>>> that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed 
>>>>> in the
>>>>> Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for 
>>>>> the DBL
>>>>> to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does
>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Bill Cole
>>>>> bill at scconsult.com or billcole at apache.org
>>>>> (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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