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<p dir="auto">OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said earlier…</p>
<p dir="auto">The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side, you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder.</p>
<p dir="auto">I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment….</p>
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<p dir="auto">On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div id="0F962782-751A-42DC-A90C-BDC1FF8EEDC0"><div>Okay. Here's what I see.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in Junk, it's deleted in Spam.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div style="font-family:sans-serif;"><div style="white-space:normal;"><p dir="auto">So to recap (please correct any errors):<br></p><ul><li><p dir="auto">There is a folder locally in MlMt called <b>Junk</b>; this same folder does <b>not</b> exist on the Fastmail server.<br></p></li><li><p dir="auto">There is a folder on the Fastmail server called <b>Spam</b>; this same folder does <b>not</b> exist locally in MlMt.<br></p></li><li><p dir="auto">SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side.<br></p></li><li><p dir="auto">The message in question was moved to the local <b>Junk</b> folder but <b>not</b> the <b>Spam</b> folder on the Fastmail side.<br></p></li><li><p dir="auto">The message in question had header info that indicates it was evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score (7.2).<br></p></li></ul><p dir="auto">If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know are:<br></p><ul><li><p dir="auto">What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in which folder did it land?<br></p></li><li><p dir="auto">If you right-click on the local <b>Junk</b> folder and then goto “Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped?<br></p></li></ul><div><hr style="background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(51, 51, 51);background-image:linear-gradient(to right, rgb(204, 204, 204), rgb(51, 51, 51), rgb(204, 204, 204));border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:initial;border-right-style:initial;border-bottom-style:initial;border-left-style:initial;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;height:1px;" height="1"><br></div><p dir="auto">On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote:<br></p></div><div style="white-space:normal;"><br></div><blockquote style="border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(119, 119, 119);color:rgb(119, 119, 119);margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:5px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:5px;"><div id="qt-FDAA7E8A-2C1B-4D28-AAD9-00DA28A5E7AF"><div>I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt" style=""><div>But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put it in that folder.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt-qt" style=""><div>On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700)<br></div><div>Ralph Alvy <<a href="mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com">mailmate@lists.freron.com</a>><br></div><div>is rumored to have said:<br></div><div><br></div><div>> I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the <br></div><div>> raw message:<br></div><div>><br></div><div>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0<br></div><div>> X-Spam-known-sender: no<br></div><div>> X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)<br></div><div>> X-Spam-score: 7.2<br></div><div>> X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, <br></div><div>> HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,<br></div><div>> HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL 0.001,<br></div><div>> RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001,<br></div><div>> URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none, SA_VERSION <br></div><div>> 3.4.2<br></div><div><br></div><div>That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail provider <br></div><div>put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is <br></div><div>significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0) but <br></div><div>the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to one <br></div><div>issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates <br></div><div>that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the <br></div><div>Spamhaus DBL list: <a href="https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl">https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl</a>. It is rare for the DBL <br></div><div>to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does <br></div><div>happen.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Bill Cole<br></div><div><a href="mailto:bill@scconsult.com">bill@scconsult.com</a> or <a href="mailto:billcole@apache.org">billcole@apache.org</a><br></div><div>(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)<br></div><div>Not Currently Available For Hire<br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>mailmate mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com">mailmate@lists.freron.com</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate">https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>mailmate mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com">mailmate@lists.freron.com</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate">https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div style="white-space:normal;"><blockquote style="border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(119, 119, 119);color:rgb(119, 119, 119);margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:5px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:5px;"><br></blockquote><blockquote style="border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(119, 119, 119);color:rgb(119, 119, 119);margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:5px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:5px;"><p dir="auto"><br></p><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>mailmate mailing list<br></div><div>mailmate@lists.freron.com<br></div><div><a href="https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate" style="color:rgb(119, 119, 119);">https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate</a><br></div><p><br></p></blockquote></div><div style="white-space:normal;"><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>mailmate mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com">mailmate@lists.freron.com</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate">https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></blockquote>
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