[MlMt] server is lost; disconnects; fails

[mat]

Hello Tracy,

On 20 May 2026, at 21:21, Tracy Kent Valleau wrote:

> I tried creating a new Outlook account. I would not "verify".
might point to SSL or network layer on your box

> I tried creating a new Thunderbird account. Works perfectly. (In fact, faster than anything else).
as long as you don’t use pgp, TB’s bakes its own cake and has an outdated implementation.

> I tried webmail. Works just fine.
> I deleted and rebuilt the Mail account. Works, but slow.
> I deleted and rebuilt the MailMate account. same thing: sometimes it connects; sometimes it drops, sometimes I get spinning pinwheels until I do a force quit.
so the database is not the problem, it’s deeper.

> I tried on my MacBook Air 4  using wifi, and MailMate took 58 seconds to connect, and then worked... until it didn't.
Have you been trying also another Mac with MM?
Does it behave the same?

>
> So at this point, there is a lack of consistency which makes debugging an issue. (I've been doing this kind of thing since 1978.)
I guess, you looked the activity monitor, have you tried Wireshark to see what’s going on?

>
> Since it varies by software and perhaps device, I'm beginning to suspect the problem may lay with the server certificate at Dreamhost, which is self-signed.

a self signed cert is unacceptable for a hosting service.
There’s let’s encrypt and it’s free, a little script and it also gets updated in time.

To my experience MM is one of the best, if not the best mail-client around currently.
I was just looking for an alternativer for Fedora, ended up with Claws Mail and Claws would probably even not connect to a server with selfsigned cert.
MM is much more tolerant.

The behaviour you describe is quite unusual and wired, I’m curious what you’re gonna find out.

cheers
Matthias

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