[MlMt] New Experimental Version r6028 released [flags]

Henry Seiden info at techworkspro.com
Sun Mar 24 21:37:55 EDT 2024

Yep. Interesting sums it up nicely. I get flagged email from others 
(Outlook senders, Apple Mail senders) on my IMAP accounts. These do seem 
to show up in my MM and Apple Mail apps quite nicely.

MM generated flags on sent email show up on other apps as well as sent 
apps, though the color of the flag may not be the same as what was sent, 
probably because of what you point out as disparity in the IMAP 
designation/interpretation at the received site.

In addition a flag set on some received email is possible in both MM and 
Apple Mail. What use this would be is a mystery to me.


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On 24 Mar 2024, at 17:28, Bill Cole wrote:

> On 2024-03-22 at 20:08:33 UTC-0400 (Sat, 23 Mar 2024 00:08:33 +0000)
> Henry Seiden <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> is rumored to have said:
>> Sadly, none of my feedback about r6025 was responded to since a 
>> previous post and none of my reported issues were addressed by the 
>> author, except sound which was a MacOS issue to begin with anyway. It 
>> was found and corrected from advice here and elsewhere by the author.
>> Previous issues (as seen in r6025 and still valid, to current):
>> * No Help Menu shows up when the item is clicked in the Help Menu. An 
>> unusual window with a blank screen instead, appears. If it’s a 
>> Safari linkage, then why is it now broken? Are there settings for 
>> this?
> FWIW, I have not seen that in any recent build. The Help window opens 
> normally for me currently in 6028.
>> * No guidance on how flags work (if they are sent with composed 
>> messages, which by trial and error, found that they are, so maybe 
>> it’s moot).
> That's interesting. There's no formal standard mechanism for 
> indicating multiple 'flag' values in a message. The flags that clients 
> use (including MM) are generally implemented at the IMAP layer as 
> keywords and don't have any representation in messages as they are 
> handled by SMTP. Historically, many POP3 servers and some IMAP servers 
> maintained a Status header in messages, but that is rare these days 
> and is formally a violation of the IMAP principle that messages are 
> invariant. There is a standard \Flagged keyword, but
> I wonder how you're seeing them transfer...
>> * Whether a flag when applied to an incoming message (or a group of 
>> messages) sticks on that message or is meant to, and/or is suggested 
>> for any particular use. Seems less useful than tags.
> Tags are also implemented via IMAP keywords and given a capable IMAP 
> server (e.g. NOT MS Exchange) can be entirely freeform. However, they 
> are intrinsically server-specific and the added layer of MM redefining 
> keywords as tags with possibly different names just obfuscates 
> everything.
> Some people prefer a constricted set of colored flags, because it 
> avoids over-classification. I guess. I don't much use tags, flags, or 
> keywords so I don't really have a ranking of what mechanism works best 
> or why people prefer one or another. I use a hierarchy of IMAP folders 
> for organizing instead, which fits my brain better.
> -- 
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