From mailmate2 at coopercontent.com Wed Dec 1 08:48:03 2021 From: mailmate2 at coopercontent.com (John Cooper) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 05:48:03 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working In-Reply-To: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> References: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> Message-ID: <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> On 30 Nov 2021, at 17:13, Randall Meadows wrote: > I have this keybinding in a custom file: > > "u" = { >     "u" = ( "markAsUnread:", ""); > }; > > and it works just fine. I'm trying to create an analog to mark > selected messages as READ, without luck; it just beeps at me after the > second `r`. I've tried several things along the lines of > > "r" = { >     "r" = ( "markAsRead:", ""); > }; > > with and without that second argument, adding in (or using only) > `"setTag:", "\\SEEN"`; what's the magic voodoo incarnation to get this > working? > > ––––– > > Upon further investigation, I'm now confused on how my w-w command is > working, as `markAsUnread:` is NOT listed in > . Help? For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 5850: "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" ); I know this doesn’t answer your question. It’s just a possible alternative should you want to resort to it. Personally I find it confusing to have two shortcuts for a boolean option; it’s like having two switches on the same lamp, one for on and one for off. Oddly, and possibly relatedly, at least one of my moving and filing key bindings doesn’t work on a Mac where BBEdit has been newly installed. The binding above does work and is in the same plist file, so I know the file is being found correctly. The mail account is the same as on the Mac where the binding works as expected, so it’s not that the mailbox doesn’t exist: // Move to "Waiting" "w" = ( "moveToMailbox:", "imap://<*address*>@mail.pobox.com/INBOX/Waiting" ); I can press w with a message selected until I grow old and die, and it doesn’t work on this second machine. I’m baffled. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailmate at not-pc.com Wed Dec 1 11:44:34 2021 From: mailmate at not-pc.com (Randall Meadows) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 09:44:34 -0700 Subject: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working In-Reply-To: <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> References: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> Message-ID: On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote: > On 30 Nov 2021, at 17:13, Randall Meadows wrote: > >> ....and it works just fine. I'm trying to create an analog to mark selected messages as READ, without luck; it just beeps at me after the second `r`. I've tried several things along the lines of >> >> "r" = { >>     "r" = ( "markAsRead:", ""); >> }; >> >> with and without that second argument, adding in (or using only) `"setTag:", "\\SEEN"`; what's the magic voodoo incarnation to get this working? >> ––––– >> Upon further investigation, I'm now confused on how my w-w command is working, as `markAsUnread:` is NOT listed in . Help? > > For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 5850: > > "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" ); I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if my message selection contains both read and unread messages. From mailmate2 at coopercontent.com Wed Dec 1 11:55:41 2021 From: mailmate2 at coopercontent.com (John Cooper) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 08:55:41 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working In-Reply-To: References: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> Message-ID: On 1 Dec 2021, at 8:44, Randall Meadows wrote: > On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote: >> >> For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 5850: >> >> "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" ); > > I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if my message selection contains both read and unread messages. In practice, using the toggleReadState binding on a mixed selection first toggles all to read, then to all unread. It doesn’t seem to depend on the state of the first selected or first sorted message. From shoshannag at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 11:57:21 2021 From: shoshannag at gmail.com (Shoshanna Green) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:57:21 -0500 Subject: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working In-Reply-To: References: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> Message-ID: On 1 Dec 2021, at 11:44, Randall Meadows wrote: > On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote: >> For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 5850: >> >> "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" ); > > I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if my message selection contains both read and unread messages. Useless in what way? I have the same keybinding, and if I select a mix of read and unread messages, the command sets them all to read -- and then all to unread if I hit it again. So it won't toggle each one individually, but if you want to be able to set a whole bunch of messages as either read or unread regardless of their current status, it's exactly what you want, just needing either one or two keystrokes. Shoshanna Green shoshannag at gmail.com From mailmate at not-pc.com Wed Dec 1 13:34:58 2021 From: mailmate at not-pc.com (Randall Meadows) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:34:58 -0700 Subject: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working In-Reply-To: References: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> Message-ID: <76B60ECE-45C2-471C-9959-9405B06FE5D5@not-pc.com> On 1 Dec 2021, at 9:55, John Cooper wrote: > On 1 Dec 2021, at 8:44, Randall Meadows wrote: >> On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote: >>> For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 5850: >>> >>> "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" ); >> >> I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if my message selection contains both read and unread messages. > > In practice, using the toggleReadState binding on a mixed selection first toggles all to read, then to all unread. It doesn’t seem to depend on the state of the first selected or first sorted message. Ah, good to know, thanks for pointing that out. That should suffice for my needs. I'd still like to know 1. why my original attempt doesn't work; and B. how "markAsUnread:" is working, since it's not listed in the manual... From mapish at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 17:38:00 2021 From: mapish at gmail.com (mapish at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 14:38:00 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working In-Reply-To: <76B60ECE-45C2-471C-9959-9405B06FE5D5@not-pc.com> References: <7AEF166F-8F7C-43B6-A944-A1BBC9CBE865@not-pc.com> <15408777-F4D2-4DC6-AC8A-6A41D573D485@coopercontent.com> <76B60ECE-45C2-471C-9959-9405B06FE5D5@not-pc.com> Message-ID: <01FBD3D8-6841-4C74-9CEB-751D1EA4BDFF@gmail.com> just guessing that it's the same menu item so it's the same action both bound to MarkAsUnread: which almost certainly calls toggleReadState: internally. If you select a mixed range of read and unread messages the menu item defaults to "mark as read" The difference being one is bound to a menu action and the other is the method that is called programmatically. - Jason On 1 Dec 2021, at 10:34, Randall Meadows wrote: > On 1 Dec 2021, at 9:55, John Cooper wrote: >> On 1 Dec 2021, at 8:44, Randall Meadows wrote: >>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote: >>>> For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work >>>> for me in 5850: >>>> >>>> "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" ); >>> >>> I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if >>> my message selection contains both read and unread messages. >> >> In practice, using the toggleReadState binding on a mixed selection >> first toggles all to read, then to all unread. It doesn’t seem to >> depend on the state of the first selected or first sorted message. > > Ah, good to know, thanks for pointing that out. That should suffice > for my needs. > > I'd still like to know 1. why my original attempt doesn't work; and B. > how "markAsUnread:" is working, since it's not listed in the manual... > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailmate at not-pc.com Fri Dec 3 17:54:45 2021 From: mailmate at not-pc.com (Randall Meadows) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 15:54:45 -0700 Subject: [MlMt] Run Applescript as a Rule command? Message-ID: <4A590D14-5B5B-429A-9600-36CAFB647D70@not-pc.com> Anyone got a good tutorial on how to run an AppleScript as a command in a Rule on INBOX? I tried following , and > while the command shows up in the Rules editor, nothing ever happens. I suspect that has to do with the `` field in the `.mmcommand` file, which is "`open ${MM_BUNDLE_SUPPORT}/bin/Friday.app`", which is the app-ified AppleScript that I wrote (and successfully tested) in Script Editor. If this is wrong, what is correct? Or what else might I be missing? Hmmm...now I've managed to do something that makes it no longer show up in the menu to be selected as a command? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any sample files for this? > > No, this feature no longer works. It might return, but it won't be soon since it's definitely one of the features I won't be working on before I've made a new public release. Sorry. Ok, good to know so I don’t waste time investigating! To be honest, I could do without the full customisation, but what’s really important to me is being able to specify additional headers to be shown at the top of the message viewer window. This is something that is available in Mail (and was in Eudora before that ;-) ). There, in the “Viewing” preferences, there’s a “Show message headers:” option that can be set to a custom list where you add headers to display (see attachment). Being able to see a few additional headers is fairly important to the way I manage my email – I don’t suppose there’s any chance you’ll add a feature like this? 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Thanks. -Eric From skleiber at mac.com Wed Dec 8 08:26:22 2021 From: skleiber at mac.com (Stephan Kleiber) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:26:22 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C072E7C-80B3-4B59-A3D9-07307E11B11F@mac.com> FWIW, I found the extensive release notes pretty interesting to recap what has changed since the last official release. However, I had expected the release notes to continue listing the specific changes just for the new build so it’s kind of strange that these seem to be omitted from now on. On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote: > Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release regularly, I'm finding the restructuring of release notes not at all helpful. First, it's nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each test release. Second, the new outline format reminds me more of a functional spec than release notes. > > Finally, the length is simply unmanageable. There's no way I can scroll through all that to see what's actually changed. I know a lot has changed since the last public release, but I fear even users not on test releases are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes as written when the next public release occurs. > > Thanks. > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate From fheidenreich at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 08:38:31 2021 From: fheidenreich at gmail.com (Florian Heidenreich) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:38:31 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EDD5DDD-2F5E-4E9D-98C5-F6E87CA79B85@gmail.com> I actually like it and admire the amount of work that is put into the release notes. It truly shows how much Benny is caring. I also like the grouping into different aspects of the app, so that I can, e.g., skip the OpenPGP part (which I currently don't use). From what I observe, the restructuring only takes place when a new official beta is released. For those who are not using the alpha builds, this would be the first changelog that is shown after like a year or so. I actually took the time to go through this and learned about aspects I missed during the alpha cycle. I also think that any changes that are relevant for the alpha channel are still explicitly associated with a concrete release. IIRC, this was the case for the previous alpha. Official releases are usually accompanied by a blog post, giving a birds-eye view on the changes of the new release. Admittedly, this will be also difficult to be kept short :) But it's about time and I'm happy about the progress. Kind regards — Florian On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote: > Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release regularly, I'm finding the restructuring of release notes not at all helpful. First, it's nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each test release. Second, the new outline format reminds me more of a functional spec than release notes. > > Finally, the length is simply unmanageable. There's no way I can scroll through all that to see what's actually changed. I know a lot has changed since the last public release, but I fear even users not on test releases are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes as written when the next public release occurs. > > Thanks. > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate From esharakan at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 08:53:13 2021 From: esharakan at gmail.com (Eric Sharakan) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:53:13 -0500 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: <7EDD5DDD-2F5E-4E9D-98C5-F6E87CA79B85@gmail.com> References: <7EDD5DDD-2F5E-4E9D-98C5-F6E87CA79B85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6DBF575C-05C7-42F0-9098-E0BA81F44829@gmail.com> Please don't get me wrong, I continue to be amazed by the incredible amount work Benny is able to put into MM; this is a far better mail client than others built by entire engineering teams at some large companies. And I'm sure it took considerable effort for Benny to produce this outline of all the major changes. I do plan to read through it all at some point. But to me, the primary purpose of release notes is to tell me what changed since the last version I downloaded. And ideally, this is true both for folks who download test versions as well as those who do not. So, as Stephan also noted, I guess the big issue for me is not being able to see what changed between (say) r5851 and r5852. Thanks. -Eric On 8 Dec 2021, at 8:38, Florian Heidenreich wrote: > I actually like it and admire the amount of work that is put into the release notes. It truly shows how much Benny is caring. I also like the grouping into different aspects of the app, so that I can, e.g., skip the OpenPGP part (which I currently don't use). > > From what I observe, the restructuring only takes place when a new official beta is released. For those who are not using the alpha builds, this would be the first changelog that is shown after like a year or so. I actually took the time to go through this and learned about aspects I missed during the alpha cycle. > > I also think that any changes that are relevant for the alpha channel are still explicitly associated with a concrete release. IIRC, this was the case for the previous alpha. > > Official releases are usually accompanied by a blog post, giving a birds-eye view on the changes of the new release. Admittedly, this will be also difficult to be kept short :) > > But it's about time and I'm happy about the progress. > > Kind regards > — Florian > > > On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote: > >> Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release regularly, I'm finding the restructuring of release notes not at all helpful. First, it's nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each test release. Second, the new outline format reminds me more of a functional spec than release notes. >> >> Finally, the length is simply unmanageable. There's no way I can scroll through all that to see what's actually changed. I know a lot has changed since the last public release, but I fear even users not on test releases are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes as written when the next public release occurs. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate at lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate From mailmate2 at coopercontent.com Wed Dec 8 11:28:05 2021 From: mailmate2 at coopercontent.com (John Cooper) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:28:05 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: <6DBF575C-05C7-42F0-9098-E0BA81F44829@gmail.com> References: <7EDD5DDD-2F5E-4E9D-98C5-F6E87CA79B85@gmail.com> <6DBF575C-05C7-42F0-9098-E0BA81F44829@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61A67AE2-D182-4221-9FB0-328A3389399B@coopercontent.com> Eric Sharakan wrote (at 5:53 AM on Wednesday, Dec 8, 2021): > the primary purpose of release notes is to tell me what changed since the last version I downloaded. And ideally, this is true both for folks who download test versions as well as those who do not. You're absolutely right. And saying so does not denigrate the other work that's been accomplished in any way. From a.takacs at augicom.ch Wed Dec 8 11:46:38 2021 From: a.takacs at augicom.ch (Alexandre Takacs) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 17:46:38 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: <6DBF575C-05C7-42F0-9098-E0BA81F44829@gmail.com> References: <7EDD5DDD-2F5E-4E9D-98C5-F6E87CA79B85@gmail.com> <6DBF575C-05C7-42F0-9098-E0BA81F44829@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E6FAA54-06F5-45FE-AD6F-3E6FB57A6F65@augicom.ch> 100% Agreed :) On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:53, Eric Sharakan wrote: > But to me, the primary purpose of release notes is to tell me what > changed since the last version I downloaded. And ideally, this is true > both for folks who download test versions as well as those who do not. > > So, as Stephan also noted, I guess the big issue for me is not being > able to see what changed between (say) r5851 and r5852. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esteban at umerez.eu Wed Dec 8 12:24:47 2021 From: esteban at umerez.eu (Esteban Umerez) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 18:24:47 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate width Message-ID: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> Hi, I am having this issue lately, I couldn’t say for how long. I’m on Version 1.14 (5852). When I use the Preview Pane, it takes a huge width, it always exceeds the screen’s limits (both on my laptop screen and when I use a 27’ monitor). I think that every time I use markdown and the preview pane opens, the width grows bigger. Is it a bug or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Esteban From MailMate at arcict.com Wed Dec 8 14:58:08 2021 From: MailMate at arcict.com (Marc ARC) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 20:58:08 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate width In-Reply-To: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> References: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> Message-ID: <5CEAFF8E-C987-4D6E-93B6-8C7C50C8B5E7@arcict.com> Esteban, Are you using more then one monitor? Or a MacBook attached to an external monitor ? I used to have an issue like that but not anymore. The work-around I found was to toggle “Show Distortion mode” ( you could also try to toggle Show Raw Message / Show HTML Source / Toogle Preview, may be that helps to pin-point the origin of the issue ) But not sure if your issue is related to what I experienced. Regards, Marc On 8 Dec 2021, at 18:24, Esteban Umerez wrote: > Hi, > > I am having this issue lately, I couldn’t say for how long. I’m on Version 1.14 (5852). > > When I use the Preview Pane, it takes a huge width, it always exceeds the screen’s limits (both on my laptop screen and when I use a 27’ monitor). > > I think that every time I use markdown and the preview pane opens, the width grows bigger. > > Is it a bug or am I doing something wrong? > > Thanks in advance. Best regards, > > Esteban > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate From mailinglist at freron.com Thu Dec 9 09:56:06 2021 From: mailinglist at freron.com (Benny =?utf-8?q?Kj=C3=A6r?= Nielsen) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 15:56:06 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate width In-Reply-To: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> References: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> Message-ID: <117C056A-CBB9-4068-9A12-9488E11D8814@freron.com> On 8 Dec 2021, at 18:24, Esteban Umerez wrote: > I think that every time I use markdown and the preview pane opens, the width grows bigger. > > Is it a bug or am I doing something wrong? Definitely sounds like a bug. I don't have any issues with this feature myself now, but it's not unlikely that there are still bugs with certain patterns of use. I've had issues with this feature in earlier test releases. Could you experiment a bit and then write me via Help > Send Feedback with any observations you might have with regard to what reproduces the issue (when the window size grows). -- Benny From mailinglist at freron.com Thu Dec 9 10:12:40 2021 From: mailinglist at freron.com (Benny =?utf-8?q?Kj=C3=A6r?= Nielsen) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 16:12:40 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote: > Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release > regularly, I'm finding the restructuring of release notes not at all > helpful. First, it's nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each > test release. Second, the new outline format reminds me more of a > functional spec than release notes. You are jumping to conclusions here :) I have not changed how the release notes work in general. Each test release will still include only what happened in that specific test release. The exception has just been a few of the latest test releases in which a lot of the actual work has been to rewrite the release notes since the latest public release. It would, of course, be easier to just have included everything from all test release notes, but I wouldn't be surprised if far more than 50% of the content would have been fixes to bugs introduced *after* the latest public release (which are irrelevant to most users). Going forward, there will be new test releases and those will be summed up in another beta release. Likewise, when ready for a public release I'll likely rewrite the beta release notes. It's not ideal, but most of the time you'll get your short test release notes. And thanks for trying the test releases! > Finally, the length is simply unmanageable. There's no way I can > scroll through all that to see what's actually changed. I know a lot > has changed since the last public release, but I fear even users not > on test releases are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes as > written when the next public release occurs. Yes, but there's not really much I can do about that... It would be worse if they got the non-rewritten notes. -- Benny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglist at freron.com Thu Dec 9 10:15:13 2021 From: mailinglist at freron.com (Benny =?utf-8?q?Kj=C3=A6r?= Nielsen) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 16:15:13 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] Password popup box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E4E664C-0530-40C3-BD55-C04F24A94B56@freron.com> On 7 Dec 2021, at 18:10, Annamarie Pluhar wrote: > Why is this happening? I have many email accounts. The ones that are > on my domain names are all managed by SiteGround. Sometimes several > times a day, sometimes not for many days, I will suddenly get popups > to enter the password for the account. Here’s a > [screenshot.](https://www.dropbox.com/s/kpy03yafvmlt1in/Popup%20Password.png?dl=0). > It’s mainly just annoying as the password autocompletes and I can > just hit okay, but I guess I’d like to understand why it’s > happening now and wasn’t before. I did change the server address > thinking that might be the issue. Somehow MailMate misinterprets a repeated error as a possible password issue (server are not always good at telling the email client exactly what the problem is). First try updating to the latest beta of MailMate (in the Software Update preferences pane). If it still happens then open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0) and keep it open (this enables logging). After you see the issue then use “Help ▸ Send Server Logs” and I'll see if MailMate could behave differently given how it fails. -- Benny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I run into MM chewing up CPU occasionally after moving a message into Trash or Junk. When this happens, the Activity Viewer shows one IMAP session trapped in a very fast loop of FETCH and NOOP commands. I have not tried hide/unhide, but offline/online of the source breaks the loop. I've had a ticket open on this for quite a long time. When you have this problem, have you checked the Activity Viewer? -- Bill Cole bill at scconsult.com or billcole at apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire From fheidenreich at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 12:51:22 2021 From: fheidenreich at gmail.com (Florian Heidenreich) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 18:51:22 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] CPU around 60% with r5852 In-Reply-To: <786BCFBE-D852-43DC-B2BA-C28B5C77E6FF@billmail.scconsult.com> References: <786BCFBE-D852-43DC-B2BA-C28B5C77E6FF@billmail.scconsult.com> Message-ID: <1ED8146A-51EC-437F-A9C3-99AB67EA7A96@gmail.com> On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:17, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2021-12-09 at 10:43:18 UTC-0500 (Thu, 09 Dec 2021 16:43:18 +0100) > Florian Heidenreich > is rumored to have said: > >> I'm observing high CPU usage of around ~60% CPU on a MacBook Air M1 under Big Sur 11.6.1 when doing nothing with MailMate r5852. >> >> My observations so far: >> >> - does not happen when starting MailMate >> - starts after sending an email or reading a couple of messages from my inbox >> - stops and goes to 0% when hiding MailMate via Cmd+H, reappears on unhide >> - something related to updating the view when it's actually not always needed? >> >> Would be interesting to know if it's only happening for me or if it's a more common problem. > > I run into MM chewing up CPU occasionally after moving a message into Trash or Junk. When this happens, the Activity Viewer shows one IMAP session trapped in a very fast loop of FETCH and NOOP commands. I have not tried hide/unhide, but offline/online of the source breaks the loop. I've had a ticket open on this for quite a long time. > > When you have this problem, have you checked the Activity Viewer? Yes, I've checked the Activity Viewer in MailMate: everything is IDLE there. Thanks! Kind regards — Florian From iep at circa.dk Thu Dec 9 14:27:54 2021 From: iep at circa.dk (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:27:54 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] Password popup box In-Reply-To: <8E4E664C-0530-40C3-BD55-C04F24A94B56@freron.com> References: <8E4E664C-0530-40C3-BD55-C04F24A94B56@freron.com> Message-ID: <636D2968-0360-463D-B89B-176AE230B941@circa.dk> Benny, > Somehow MailMate misinterprets a repeated error as a possible password > issue (server are not always good at telling the email client exactly > what the problem is). First try updating to the latest beta of > MailMate (in the Software Update preferences pane). For what it’s worth I have experienced similar issues (on Runbox) on and off for the last couple of years (always using latest beta). MM throws a wobbly for a few minutes or an hour, but it always seems to go back to normal again after a while. Cheers Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Somehow almost everything was marked as spam including 10 year old tickets. I tried fixing it yesterday, but now I cannot even access the spam-marked items. I'll continue trying to fix it. Sorry about the inconvenience. (It's a free service so I'm just hoping it'll work again. I cannot really demand anything to be fixed :) ) -- Benny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The best I can tell you is that I do consider this a missing feature. -- Benny From mailinglist at freron.com Fri Dec 10 07:18:18 2021 From: mailinglist at freron.com (Benny =?utf-8?q?Kj=C3=A6r?= Nielsen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:18:18 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] Run Applescript as a Rule command? In-Reply-To: <4A590D14-5B5B-429A-9600-36CAFB647D70@not-pc.com> References: <4A590D14-5B5B-429A-9600-36CAFB647D70@not-pc.com> Message-ID: <4BA06BD3-89CB-4085-B0E0-DC9071F4B4DD@freron.com> On 3 Dec 2021, at 23:54, Randall Meadows wrote: > If this is wrong, what is correct? Or what else might I be missing? Check that Automation is allowed for MailMate in the Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences. I'm not sure how that would work with the resource you linked to though. In any case, other bundles simply use the `osascript` command to execute AppleScript. Here's an example: https://github.com/mailmate/eaglefiler.mmbundle > Hmmm...now I've managed to do something that makes it no longer show > up in the menu to be selected as a command? The best starting point for creating bundles is still this wiki: https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual/wiki/Bundles -- Benny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esharakan at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 08:14:41 2021 From: esharakan at gmail.com (Eric Sharakan) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 08:14:41 -0500 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3785111C-3129-453E-AE2D-EA40C4DC8377@gmail.com> Hi Benny, as I noted in a previous reply on this thread, the big issue for me was really the no list of changes between r5851 & r5852. I now understand that's because this is a beta release, so it makes more sense, though I'd still like to know what changed since 5851. :-) Also, I've come to the realization that all the detailed info is fine (and well organized too), as long as test releases continue to include a short blurb on top describing what's changed since the prior test release. Thanks again for producing a superior mail client for Mac. -Eric On 9 Dec 2021, at 10:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:12, Eric Sharakan wrote: > >> Hi, as someone who tends to download the latest test release >> regularly, I'm finding the restructuring of release notes not at all >> helpful. First, it's nigh impossible to learn what's changed in each >> test release. Second, the new outline format reminds me more of a >> functional spec than release notes. > > You are jumping to conclusions here :) > > I have not changed how the release notes work in general. Each test > release will still include only what happened in that specific test > release. The exception has just been a few of the latest test releases > in which a lot of the actual work has been to rewrite the release > notes since the latest public release. It would, of course, be easier > to just have included everything from all test release notes, but I > wouldn't be surprised if far more than 50% of the content would have > been fixes to bugs introduced *after* the latest public release (which > are irrelevant to most users). > > Going forward, there will be new test releases and those will be > summed up in another beta release. Likewise, when ready for a public > release I'll likely rewrite the beta release notes. > > It's not ideal, but most of the time you'll get your short test > release notes. And thanks for trying the test releases! > >> Finally, the length is simply unmanageable. There's no way I can >> scroll through all that to see what's actually changed. I know a lot >> has changed since the last public release, but I fear even users not >> on test releases are going to be overwhelmed by these release notes >> as written when the next public release occurs. > > Yes, but there's not really much I can do about that... It would be > worse if they got the non-rewritten notes. > > -- > Benny > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MM throws a wobbly for a few minutes or an hour, but it always seems to go back to normal again after a while. > > > Cheers > Ian Hi, I've seen the same, primarily on my corporate account since my employer switched to Exchange hosted by Microsoft. It happens at most once or twice a day. I hit cancel and things continue to work, so I think Benny's explanation is right on; it's really some other transient error. -Eric From mailinglist at freron.com Fri Dec 10 09:36:50 2021 From: mailinglist at freron.com (Benny =?utf-8?q?Kj=C3=A6r?= Nielsen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:36:50 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: <3785111C-3129-453E-AE2D-EA40C4DC8377@gmail.com> References: <3785111C-3129-453E-AE2D-EA40C4DC8377@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 2021, at 14:14, Eric Sharakan wrote: > I now understand that's because this is a beta release, so it makes > more sense, though I'd still like to know what changed since 5851. :-) * Changed: By default, show a single “Tagged” submailbox when only a single tag is in use (this will only affect new users). Previously only the “Tagged” mailbox would be shown in this special case. * Fixed: Crash bug related to “Send Now”. And various build-system-related changes of no interest to users :) -- Benny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esharakan at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 01:41:24 2021 From: esharakan at gmail.com (Eric Sharakan) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 01:41:24 -0500 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate release notes In-Reply-To: References: <3785111C-3129-453E-AE2D-EA40C4DC8377@gmail.com> Message-ID: <855C09F3-2429-4A72-AE58-D1CA3A1C97CC@gmail.com> Thanks! -Eric On 10 Dec 2021, at 9:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 10 Dec 2021, at 14:14, Eric Sharakan wrote: > >> I now understand that's because this is a beta release, so it makes >> more sense, though I'd still like to know what changed since 5851. >> :-) > > * Changed: By default, show a single “Tagged” submailbox when only > a single tag is in use (this will only affect new users). Previously > only the “Tagged” mailbox would be shown in this special case. > * Fixed: Crash bug related to “Send Now”. > > And various build-system-related changes of no interest to users :) > > -- > Benny > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jolinwarren+mailmate at oakandapple.org Sun Dec 12 11:44:36 2021 From: jolinwarren+mailmate at oakandapple.org (Jolin Warren) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:44:36 +0000 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey In-Reply-To: <931F0630-35DF-45A1-B6B9-0C058F2A4F13@freron.com> References: <482D00F3-B631-408A-B371-E81BA181EAE1@oakandapple.org> <81FDA2DD-A417-48C2-8B46-111FB28F381B@freron.com> <299FC682-E59A-41AD-8939-B1C03A32FE3C@oakandapple.org> <2468BF88-ADD5-455B-B0FE-B3555CCADADC@freron.com> <931F0630-35DF-45A1-B6B9-0C058F2A4F13@freron.com> Message-ID: <886C26D4-302C-4305-AD43-C9914E4F70BC@oakandapple.org> On 10 Dec 2021, at 12:11, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 4 Dec 2021, at 11:59, Jolin Warren wrote: > >> Being able to see a few additional headers is fairly important to the way I manage my email – I don’t suppose there’s any chance you’ll add a feature like this? I’m happy to forgo full customisation if I could have a simple list of headers that will be shown in the viewer window! > > The best I can tell you is that I do consider this a missing feature. That’s excellent, great to know it’s on the list somewhere. 😉 I appreciate that there has to be prioritisation, so happy to sit tight and work around this for now. -- => Jolin From infotexture at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 11:47:31 2021 From: infotexture at gmail.com (Roger Sheen) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 17:47:31 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate width In-Reply-To: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> References: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> Message-ID: <4E313532-1C2E-4471-A4AB-67FB9CB0DBC5@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 2021-12-08, at 18:24 CET, Esteban Umerez wrote: > every time I use markdown and the preview pane opens, the width grows bigger. Same here. With Markup syntax set to Markdown, the moment any Markdown syntax is entered, the Preview pane opens, but instead of splitting the current window width in two as expected, the Preview pane increases the window size, pushing the right side beyond the display boundaries. When you edit to remove the Markdown syntax, the Preview disappears again, but instead of restoring the original window size, it reverts to half of that. One workaround I’ve found is to toggle the message preview pane from appearing on the right side of the compose view to show at the bottom instead. (This doesn’t make good use of a widescreen layout, but at least doesn’t change the size of the parent window.) Hope that helps, Roger From mailmate2 at coopercontent.com Sun Dec 12 11:56:22 2021 From: mailmate2 at coopercontent.com (John Cooper) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 08:56:22 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate width In-Reply-To: <4E313532-1C2E-4471-A4AB-67FB9CB0DBC5@gmail.com> References: <621FB487-0BCD-42B5-A356-5D0158936C10@umerez.eu> <4E313532-1C2E-4471-A4AB-67FB9CB0DBC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88070A58-74AD-4D9C-8D3A-2BFCE2B70F95@coopercontent.com> Roger Sheen wrote (at 8:47 AM on Sunday, Dec12, 2021): > Instead of splitting the current window width in two as expected, the Preview pane increases the window size, pushing the right side beyond the display boundaries. I can confirm this, but not this: > When you edit to remove the Markdown syntax, the Preview disappears again, but instead of restoring the original window size, it reverts to half of that. I'm using build 5852 on Mac OS Monterey 12.0.1. From esteban at umerez.eu Sun Dec 12 15:49:29 2021 From: esteban at umerez.eu (Esteban Umerez) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:49:29 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] MailMate width In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69534281-C6BF-44E3-8490-CA854473E4E5@umerez.eu> On 12 Dec 2021, at 18:00, mailmate-request at lists.freron.com wrote: > Same here. > > With Markup syntax set to Markdown, the moment any Markdown syntax is entered, the Preview pane opens, but instead of splitting the current window width in two as expected, the Preview pane increases the window size, pushing the right side beyond the display boundaries. > > When you edit to remove the Markdown syntax, the Preview disappears again, but instead of restoring the original window size, it reverts to half of that. > > One workaround I’ve found is to toggle the message preview pane from appearing on the right side of the compose view to show at the bottom instead. > > (This doesn’t make good use of a widescreen layout, but at least doesn’t change the size of the parent window.) > > Hope that helps, > > Roger Thanks, Roger. Thanks to John Cooper, too. Just like Benny suggested, I tried to fiddle a little with different setting to no avail, and I sent him a screen recording to show the behavior. Let’s hope he find the fix. Best regards, Esteban From davec2468 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 16:15:21 2021 From: davec2468 at gmail.com (davecc0000) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:15:21 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?q?Column_doesn=E2=80=99t_sort?= Message-ID: <449BA147-4153-463E-B406-328272C9255D@gmail.com> In the Message Viewer, the Attachments column does not sort if I click on the icon for that column. Nothing happens. FYI, I’m using a prerelease. Thanks, Dave macOS 11.6 Big Sur MM pre 5819 From MailMate at arcict.com Mon Dec 13 04:03:37 2021 From: MailMate at arcict.com (Marc ARC) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:03:37 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?q?Column_doesn=E2=80=99t_sort?= In-Reply-To: <449BA147-4153-463E-B406-328272C9255D@gmail.com> References: <449BA147-4153-463E-B406-328272C9255D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave, I would recommend you to move to most recent test release being r5852 - by option-click MM-menu/Check for Test Build - or by downloading at https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ Regards, Marc On 12 Dec 2021, at 22:15, davecc0000 wrote: > In the Message Viewer, the Attachments column does not sort if I click > on the icon for that column. Nothing happens. > > FYI, I’m using a prerelease. > > Thanks, > Dave > macOS 11.6 Big Sur > MM pre 5819 > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To all users having this issue, the r5853 test release should include a fix: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. The issue (I believe) was triggered for users with a global default set to prefer tabs over windows (in the Dock system preferences pane). -- Benny From mailinglist at freron.com Mon Dec 13 09:10:55 2021 From: mailinglist at freron.com (Benny =?utf-8?q?Kj=C3=A6r?= Nielsen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:10:55 +0100 Subject: [MlMt] No longer seeing URL when hovering over links, or link text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53C3EC4D-13DF-4B5D-9472-4A7AEFBDA318@freron.com> On 28 Nov 2021, at 21:48, Randall Gellens wrote: > I'm on 10.13.6 (High Sierra) and just updated to 5850 from the > released 5673, and now I no longer get the actual URL pop-up when I > hover over a link. I checked the code and this is a feature which is intended to work on 10.12+. In other words, it sounds like a bug. If you would like to help me debug then write me via “Help ▸ Send Feedback”. My guess is that you might see an error message when hovering a URL if you launch MailMate from a Terminal window: /Applications/Mailmate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate You can send feedback to me using “Help ▸ Send Feedback”. > I also see a large box with an "X" (looks like an envelope so is a bit > confusing) Well, I see it more like it's crossed out to signal that MailMate blocked it from being fetched. > in place of images and links, and I no longer see the link text (e.g., > "Click for story"). Are these regression bugs from 5673 to 5850, or > some weird interaction? The missing link text is a regression. The new message view has much more detailed control of what is blocked, but I haven't implemented the ability of the old message view to write the image title within the image. I got that for free with the now deprecated Apple class used in the old message view. 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URL: From quinn at strangecode.com Tue Dec 21 22:30:18 2021 From: quinn at strangecode.com (Quinn Comendant) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 19:30:18 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?b?S2V5IGJpbmRpbmcgZm9yIOKAnHNob3cgaW1hZ2Vz4oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= Message-ID: <91740686-458C-4A3C-BA72-C0E1211087A9@strangecode.com> Hello, Is there a hotkey to display images in a message? Clicking the “Download” button seems to be the only way to get images to load. I found this article, which would work because I can set a hotkey to assign “Not Junk”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC4ZkBr87CO0jmrQvGQ77t44tCT-xklqU Is that the best way to achieve this? Regards, Quinn From mapish at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:19:12 2021 From: mapish at gmail.com (mapish at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:19:12 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?b?S2V5IGJpbmRpbmcgZm9yIOKAnHNob3cgaW1hZ2Vz4oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= In-Reply-To: <91740686-458C-4A3C-BA72-C0E1211087A9@strangecode.com> References: <91740686-458C-4A3C-BA72-C0E1211087A9@strangecode.com> Message-ID: <18F7FCA5-4BAC-482F-B0BD-100FBDFE5D3B@gmail.com> In my bindings plist I use this to load the images in a particular email though it doesn't work all that reliably in the newest betas because of some kind of tracker blocking or something. sometimes i have to press it multiple times and sometimes it doesn't work at all depending on the email. "loadImagesOnce:"; On 21 Dec 2021, at 19:30, Quinn Comendant wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a hotkey to display images in a message? Clicking the “Download” button seems to be the only way to get images to load. > > I found this article, which would work because I can set a hotkey to assign “Not Junk”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC4ZkBr87CO0jmrQvGQ77t44tCT-xklqU > > Is that the best way to achieve this? > > Regards, > Quinn > > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate From charlie-lists at garrison.com.au Wed Dec 22 18:25:27 2021 From: charlie-lists at garrison.com.au (Charlie Garrison) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:25:27 +1100 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?b?S2V5IGJpbmRpbmcgZm9yIOKAnHNob3cgaW1hZ2Vz4oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= In-Reply-To: <18F7FCA5-4BAC-482F-B0BD-100FBDFE5D3B@gmail.com> References: <91740686-458C-4A3C-BA72-C0E1211087A9@strangecode.com> <18F7FCA5-4BAC-482F-B0BD-100FBDFE5D3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52E7F2CD-E98F-4887-87A1-D210EE195961@garrison.com.au> Good morning, On 23 Dec 2021, at 10:19, mapish at gmail.com wrote: > In my bindings plist I use this to load the images in a particular > email though it doesn't work all that reliably in the newest betas > because of some kind of tracker blocking or something. sometimes i > have to press it multiple times and sometimes it doesn't work at all > depending on the email. > > "loadImagesOnce:"; I'm keenly following this thread, since I'm having same issues with `loadImagesOnce` not working reliably. I'm wondering if there is a `loadAllImagesOnce` variant. (I guess I could just test it.) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have DNS blocking, so some images are still blocked because of the hostname they load from, but it seems to consistently load all the images that I would expect to load. ---- I googled "loadImagesOnce" and found the whole list of [key binding selectors](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/key_binding_selectors). I followed [the instructions](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings#key-bindings-in-mailmate) to add this custom key binding so images are displayed after pressing the `i` key: 1. Duplicate the `/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Resources/KeyBindings/Gmail.plist` file to `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/MyKeys.plist` 2. Add the key binding for loadImagesOnce to the top after the first `{` bracket: "i" = "loadImagesOnce:"; 3. Open `Preferences…` → `General` and set `Custom Key Bindings:` to **`MyKeys`**. Q -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charlie-lists at garrison.com.au Thu Dec 23 01:57:42 2021 From: charlie-lists at garrison.com.au (Charlie Garrison) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:57:42 +1100 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?b?S2V5IGJpbmRpbmcgZm9yIOKAnHNob3cgaW1hZ2Vz4oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <91740686-458C-4A3C-BA72-C0E1211087A9@strangecode.com> <18F7FCA5-4BAC-482F-B0BD-100FBDFE5D3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C0CF0DF-8328-4BA5-8A5F-58C511A3408D@garrison.com.au> G'day, On 23 Dec 2021, at 16:49, Quinn Comendant wrote: > I have DNS blocking, so some images are still blocked because of the > hostname they load from, but it seems to consistently load all the > images that I would expect to load. Are you sure it's DNS blocking? There are two buttons in Message window for Download Images and Download All Images; it appears that `loadImagesOnce` does the same as "Download Images" - what I want is an action that does same as "Download All Images". I have DNS blocking too (Pi-hole) but that's not the problem I'm seeing with `loadImagesOnce`. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoshannag at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 09:13:17 2021 From: shoshannag at gmail.com (Shoshanna Green) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 09:13:17 -0500 Subject: [MlMt] scroll search term to top? Message-ID: <9903F13F-0A87-4584-B6F3-55F063CBCF25@gmail.com> When I search a message using command-F and then skip through the results using command-G, the message window is scrolled so that the search term is at its midpoint -- or, if the next appearance is already visible further down, the window isn't scrolled at all. I'd like to find a way to automatically scroll the window so that each successive instance of the search term appears near the top of the window. I greatly doubt there's a way to do this built in to MailMate (though I'd be delighted to be wrong, of course!), but can anyone suggest a way to do this with a scripting language or something? I have Keyboard Maestro, so I can make my Mac do pretty much anything, so long as I know exactly how to do it. Thanks, Shoshanna Green shoshannag at gmail.com From quinn at strangecode.com Thu Dec 23 16:51:19 2021 From: quinn at strangecode.com (Quinn Comendant) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 13:51:19 -0800 Subject: [MlMt] =?utf-8?b?S2V5IGJpbmRpbmcgZm9yIOKAnHNob3cgaW1hZ2Vz4oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= In-Reply-To: <8C0CF0DF-8328-4BA5-8A5F-58C511A3408D@garrison.com.au> References: <91740686-458C-4A3C-BA72-C0E1211087A9@strangecode.com> <18F7FCA5-4BAC-482F-B0BD-100FBDFE5D3B@gmail.com> <8C0CF0DF-8328-4BA5-8A5F-58C511A3408D@garrison.com.au> Message-ID: On 22 Dec 2021, at 22:57, Charlie Garrison wrote: > Are you sure it's DNS blocking? Yes, I'm sure. I rarely see blocked images (about 1/50 have a blocked image), either from DNS blocking or from MailMate's strict image blocking. In either case, I can see why the image is being blocked. Here's one ([screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/gwGRzJW.png)) blocked by DNS blocking, with an image loaded from `https://sli[.]fodors[.]com/…` (I added brackets to disarm the hostname). That URL responds with HTTP code 301 Moved Permanently to `https://p[.]liadm[.]com/…` and `p[.]liadm[.]com` is blocked by my DNS blocking: ``` [q at localhost] host p.liadm.com p.liadm.com host information "This query has been locally blocked" "by dnscrypt-proxy" ``` Here's another example ([screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/MNtcf22.png)) that shows and image blocked by MailMate's strict image blocking, for which you want a key binding to bypass. Q -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Martin On 21 Dec 2021, at 8:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > FYI, I downloaded Grammarly's new desktop app and > it now works with Mailmate! > >> Thank you Max, I will look into this! >> >> >> On 12 Nov 2020, at 21:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >> >>> grammarly has no public API's so it is not directly feasible. >>> >>> what you can do though is see if you can use vscode for editing mail >>> as it actually has a plugin >>> that uses a unofficial api - >>> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=znck.grammarly >>> >>> /max >>> >>>> I’d like to second that request. >>>> >>>> Does this seem possible at all? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> martin >>>> >>>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 18:56, Evan Silberman wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wanted to share a request for the integration of Grammarly >>>>> (grammarly.com) with MailMate as Bundle—don’t know if it’s >>>>> even doable. >>>>> >>>>> Grammarly is an amazing writing app that works with Google Docs, >>>>> MS Word, Gmail, etc and helps improve my writing, and makes it >>>>> error free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Evan Silberman, Ed.D. >>>>> New York University >>>>> Sr. Director Online Programs, Stern School of Business >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> mailmate mailing list >>>>> mailmate at lists.freron.com >>>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mailmate mailing list >>>> mailmate at lists.freron.com >>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> /max >>> https://xam.dk/about >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate at lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > >> _______________________________________________ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate at lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > /max > https://xam.dk/about > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 21 Dec 2021, at 8:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > FYI, I downloaded Grammarly's new desktop app and > it now works with Mailmate! > >> Thank you Max, I will look into this! >> >> >> On 12 Nov 2020, at 21:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >> >>> grammarly has no public API's so it is not directly feasible. >>> >>> what you can do though is see if you can use vscode for editing mail >>> as it actually has a plugin >>> that uses a unofficial api - >>> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=znck.grammarly >>> >>> /max >>> >>>> I’d like to second that request. >>>> >>>> Does this seem possible at all? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> martin >>>> >>>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 18:56, Evan Silberman wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wanted to share a request for the integration of Grammarly >>>>> (grammarly.com) with MailMate as Bundle—don’t know if it’s >>>>> even doable. >>>>> >>>>> Grammarly is an amazing writing app that works with Google Docs, >>>>> MS Word, Gmail, etc and helps improve my writing, and makes it >>>>> error free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Evan Silberman, Ed.D. >>>>> New York University >>>>> Sr. Director Online Programs, Stern School of Business >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> mailmate mailing list >>>>> mailmate at lists.freron.com >>>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mailmate mailing list >>>> mailmate at lists.freron.com >>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> /max >>> https://xam.dk/about >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate at lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > >> _______________________________________________ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate at lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > /max > https://xam.dk/about > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate at lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I found the option when I right-click on a column header to “Use as Default Columns” but it doesn't seem to do anything; those defaults do not seem to propagate to the other list views. How can I set my preferred list view settings for all list views everywhere, forever? 🥺 Thanks, Quinn