[MlMt] Signature placement

[Tom Worster]

Hi Benny,

Thanks for considering this.

Tom

On 22 Nov 2016, at 8:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 17 Nov 2016, at 14:34, Tom Worster wrote:
>
>> I am baffled by MailMate's behavior wrt signatures. What am I doing 
>> wrong?
>>
>> First, if Preferences:Signatures:Default signature placement is set 
>> to "Top" then, when I reply to an email, the signature is inserted at 
>> the bottom of the reply, below the quoted text. The behavior is the 
>> same if it is set to "Bottom", except that this is [less 
>> astonishing](Principle of least astonishment).
>>
>> I need to top-reply in most of my correspondences because this is 
>> what people expect. And I need my signature to be immediately below 
>> my reply and above the quoted text. For now, I copy-paste the 
>> signature that MailMate inserts at the bottom of the email to the top 
>> and then compose my reply.
>
> How it's supposed to work: If you use the “Top”/“Bottom” menu 
> items in the Signature menu in the Composer then MailMate should learn 
> your habits.
>
> The default in the Signatures preferences pane is only used when 
> MailMate cannot derive the location based on previous responses (this 
> also includes which signature to use). If you change this setting then 
> you should also click “Reset Usage History” in the same window.
>
> If it's any consolation I'll likely make the dynamic signature system 
> opt-in at some point. Some users are extremely happy about this 
> feature and some are deeply frustrated. You clearly fall in the latter 
> category.
>
>> Second, how do I defeat automatic insertion of a signature?
>
> The dynamic part of it can be disabled by pasting the following in a 
> Terminal window:
>
> 	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDynamicSignatureMethod -string 
> "none"
>
>> Third, I use signatures as a convenient way to insert various 
>> boilerplate texts.
>
> I cannot really recommend that.
>
>> But when I insert a signature using the composer's toolbar, I always 
>> get a warning about discarding HTML. What's this about?
>
> Hmm, I'm not sure why that is triggered. This should only happen if 
> editing the plain text variant of HTML embedded content, but 
> apparently MailMate tries to do that when inserting the signature...
>
> Ok, I can reproduce that and I've noted it as a bug.
>
> Read more about how MailMate handles plain text here: 
> https://manual.mailmate-app.com
>
>> Finally, I don't understand what is the "HTML Variant" or how it 
>> works.
>
> Since MailMate uses a plain text composer then HTML cannot be inserted 
> directly in the text editor. Instead, the plain text version of the 
> signature is inserted (which is needed anyways since all HTML emails 
> include a plain text variant as well). If an HTML variant exists for 
> the signature then MailMate know that is also need to create an HTML 
> variant of the message and within this the HTML variant of the 
> signature is used.
>
>> What would suit me is very simple:
>>
>> 1. An option to not insert a signature by default.
>
> Noted.
>
>> 2. When I insert a signature using the composer's toolbar menu, 
>> MailMate inserts it
>>     - at my carat, wherever that may be, and
>
> I'll consider that.
>
>>     - simply as a plain-text string. Regardless if I am composing in 
>> markdown or not, just insert the characters in the signature string 
>> as though I had typed them or copy-pasted them from a text-editor.
>
> Insertion of signatures should not behave differently in Markdown 
> mode.
>
>> Unless I'm doing something wrong, I will need to add something like 
>> [Paste](http://pasteapp.me/) to MailMate to transition from Outlook.
>
> In any case, if what you are looking for is some sort of text 
> expansion utility then that is likely more suitable and probably also 
> more useful in general.
>
> -- 
> Benny
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