[MlMt] OAuth2 support for Gmail and Outlook
Steve Mayer
smayer69 at me.com
Wed Oct 21 09:18:02 EDT 2015
Benny,
When I attempt to go through the GMail validation, I get this message
after entering in my GMail credentials:
__You've reached this page because we have detected that Javascript is
disabled in your browser. The page you attempted to load cannot display
properly if scripts are disabled.__
__Please enable scripts and retry the operation or go back in your
browser.__
Any ideas? Is there an option for the embedded browser to enable
Javascript that I missed?
Thanks,
--
Steve Mayer
smayer69 at me.com
On 21 Oct 2015, at 1:45, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
> Hi MailMate users,
>
> if you use the latest test version of MailMate (r5150) with a Gmail or
> an Outlook account then you should read this email.
>
> Google continues to push for the adoption of
> [OAuth2](http://oauth.net/2/) via the
> [XOAUTH2](https://developers.google.com/gmail/xoauth2_protocol)
> protocol. In my opinion, they do that using a lot of FUD as seen in
> [this support
> article](https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en),
> but that does not mean that XOAUTH2 is necessarily a bad idea.
> Especially not for something like Google for which a single password
> provides access to all kinds of services.
>
> A bit simplified, it works like this: Using an embedded web browser in
> MailMate, the user is sent to a hardcoded Google address (using a
> secure connection). The user is then asked by Google to allow MailMate
> to access the emails of the Gmail account. If accepted then MailMate
> receives a special code. Using this code MailMate can then obtain a
> so-called access token. This access token can then be used when
> authenticating via IMAP or SMTP. In other words, the real password is
> never known to[^1] or used by MailMate itself. It is naturally also
> not stored by MailMate. An access token expires, but MailMate can
> obtain a new one when needed. The access token only provides access to
> emails and the user can revoke the access at any time on [this
> page](https://security.google.com/settings/security/permissions).
>
> Now, MailMate has had experimental support for XOAUTH2, but I think I
> now have to make it the default behavior (at least for Gmail). This
> made me change a few things:
>
> * Previously, MailMate used an external web browser, but this does not
> work well and requires the user to copy/paste a code. An embedded
> browser is now used instead.
> * Using OAuth2 is now an option in the IMAP account settings. It is
> enabled by default, but it'll only be used when the corresponding IMAP
> server is actually supported by MailMate.
> * MailMate also supports XOAUTH2 for Outlook email addresses.
> * Tokens are stored in the keychain similar to how OS X stores them.
> Previously, a token was simply saved as if it was a password.
>
> The last item means that users of the experimental support are going
> to be asked to authenticate MailMate again.
>
> I'm looking for feedback on how well this works, both for Gmail and
> Outlook. I'm sure you'll tell me if it doesn't work at all.
>
> One known issue: I've seen the initial authentication fail for
> Outlook, but it seems to be a temporary problem. At least I have not
> been able to figure out what triggers it.
>
> Various other notes:
>
> * The old hidden preference is now obsolete.
> * XOAUTH2 requires me to register MailMate with the service provider
> (Google/Microsoft). If the provider stops supporting other
> authentication schemes (which is almost true for Google) then Google
> has the power to decide which email clients are allowed to work with
> Gmail. [I'm not
> sure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish)
> I'm quite comfortable with that. It reminds me of what happened to
> [third party Twitter
> clients](http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2012/08/17/twitter-4/).
> * Maybe this is a good time to reiterate that
> [alternatives](http://blog.freron.com/2013/alternative-email-providers/)
> do exist.
> * iCloud appears to have a similar authentication scheme, but it's
> undocumented and cannot be used by third party email clients.
>
> --
> Benny
>
> [^1]: Since MailMate embeds the web browser itself then this is not
> strictly true. This is also why OAuth2 doesn't provide as much
> security for desktop applications as it does for web services.
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