[MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?
John Purnell
johno108108 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 8 01:53:22 EDT 2015
Steve Losh eloquently puts forward the case for 2 spaces:
http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/why-i-two-space/
On 2015-06-08, at 05:54 +0200, Ben Klebe <benklebe at icloud.com> wrote:
> No, he’s saying that when the practice began doesn’t matter
> because it’s not part of 21st century typography.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Ben Klebe
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Eric A. Meyer <eric at meyerweb.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'll offer my own but of insight: Butterick is right that it doesn't
>> matter. I just wish he and those who follow his view would take that
>> advice to heart, and stop demonstrating to all and sundry that it
>> really
>> does matter to them.
>> On 7 Jun 2015, at 23:21, Ben Klebe wrote:
>>> I can only offer this shrewd bit of insight from Matthew
>>> Butterick’s
>>> excellent Practical Typography:
>>> http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I know that many people were taught to put two spaces between
>>> sentences. I was too. But these days, using two spaces is an
>>> obsolete habit. Some say the habit originated in the
>>> typewriter era. Others believe it began earlier. But guess
>>> what? It doesn’t matter. Because either way, it’s not part
>>> of today’s typographic practice."
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Klebe
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Gary Hull <YH82d7dfU at yandex.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>>>>> On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck
>>>>>>> “Correct
>>>>>>> spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a
>>>>>>> period?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:
>>>>>
>>>>> …he said, and then wrenched the can open further.
>>>> You noticed that, huh? :-)
>>>>>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with
>>>>>> manual monospace typewriters.
>>>>>
>>>>> You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not
>>>>> a
>>>>> quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but
>>>>> has
>>>>> literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
>>>> I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead
>>>> type
>>>> from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the
>>>> traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that
>>>> are
>>>> only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic
>>>> designer in a shop that went through the whole range of
>>>> phototypography
>>>> from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic
>>>> machines
>>>> to
>>>> Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to
>>>> mention
>>>> IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on
>>>> 9-to-the-em grids.
>>>> The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors
>>>> what
>>>> to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions
>>>> are
>>>> made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and
>>>> the
>>>> particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has
>>>> been
>>>> taken over by the combination of the type designer and the
>>>> particular
>>>> system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which
>>>> has
>>>> all
>>>> sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence
>>>> built
>>>> into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or
>>>> digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force
>>>> design
>>>> factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish
>>>> bloggers
>>>> have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer
>>>> made
>>>> of
>>>> lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively
>>>> kern
>>>> without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type
>>>> looks
>>>> today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the
>>>> best
>>>> of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books
>>>> just
>>>> look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as
>>>> historical
>>>> objects.
>>>> At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days
>>>> have
>>>> regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like
>>>> initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/
>>>> or
>>>> the
>>>> like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double
>>>> spaces
>>>> into print at a proper publisher.
>>>> There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a
>>>> bit
>>>> before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many
>>>> academic and scientific publications, published photographically
>>>> reduced
>>>> typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not
>>>> available
>>>> yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style
>>>> that
>>>> writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double
>>>> spacing"
>>>> (two returns on the typewriter), the width of margins, the number
>>>> of
>>>> lines per page, manual justification (with double spaces to
>>>> accomplish
>>>> that, or half spaces, which some typewriters could handle, such as
>>>> some
>>>> Olympias), and so on. Universities had typing pools that could
>>>> produce
>>>> such manuscripts: They functioned as the typetting departments of
>>>> these
>>>> low-budget journals. In such manuscripts double spacing was often
>>>> used
>>>> after periods and other sentence-final punctuation, and then after
>>>> other
>>>> words if necessary to justify the text. People who learned typing
>>>> in
>>>> that era tended to use textbooks that specified double spacing.
>>>> They
>>>> were in effect learning half-assed typesetting. The factors that
>>>> lead
>>>> to
>>>> that style no longer exist.
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