[MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2

[Joshua McNary]

I have seen the Gmail "421 4.7.0 Temporary System Problem." 
intermittently. Some messages go through and other do not.

Joshua
@McNary


On 9 May 2013, at 12:00, mailmate-request at lists.freron.com wrote:

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> 1. Unable to send GMail (Eric A. Meyer)
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> 3. Re: Unable to send GMail (Benny Kj?r Nielsen)
> 4. Re: Unable to send GMail (Eric A. Meyer)
> 5. Re: Unable to send GMail (Alexandre Takacs)
> 6. Re: Unable to send GMail (Benny Kj?r Nielsen)
> 7. Re: Unable to send GMail (Benny Kj?r Nielsen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:30:45 -0400
> From: "Eric A. Meyer" <eric at meyerweb.com>
> To: mailmate at lists.freron.com
> Subject: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <p06230901cdb065c06adc@[172.20.10.3]>
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> All of a sudden I'm consistently getting errors like this from gsmtp
> when I try to send mail:
>
> S: 421 4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.  Try again later (SF).
> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp
> Error: Unexpected return code 421 (expected 250):
> "4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.  Try again later (SF).
> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp".
>
>
> ...where the "d51sm122311yho.14" part is different for every failure,
> but the rest is the same.  I quit and relaunched MailMate Version
> 1.5.4 (3371), which has been sending mail just fine since I installed
> it; no change after relaunch.
> Anyone else seeing this sort of thing, or know what might be
> causing it?  The messages are plain-text replies to what are probably
> HTML mails without any attachments.
>
> -- 
> Eric A. Meyer (eric at meyerweb.com)     http://meyerweb.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:48:34 -0400
> From: "Eric A. Meyer" <eric at meyerweb.com>
> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <p06230902cdb069de6f09@[192.168.1.147]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
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> At 16:30 -0400 5/8/13, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>
>> All of a sudden I'm consistently getting errors like this from gsmtp
>> when I try to send mail:
>>
>> S: 421 4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.  Try again later (SF).
>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp
>> Error: Unexpected return code 421 (expected 250):
>> "4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.  Try again later (SF).
>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp".
>>
>>
>> ...where the "d51sm122311yho.14" part is different for every
>> failure, but the rest is the same.  I quit and relaunched MailMate
>> Version 1.5.4 (3371), which has been sending mail just fine since I
>> installed it; no change after relaunch.
>
> Followup to that: I can't send mail via my other mail account either,
> though apparently for a different reason.  Receiving mail on both
> accounts seems to be fine.  Here's what I see in the latest failure
> (I altered the server name):
>
> Trying to connect to server.example.com on port 25
> Error: Failed connecting to host (server.example.com:25).
> 	"error:0200203D:system library:connect:Connection refused"
> 	"error:2007306E:BIO routines:CONN_STATE:nbio connect error"
> Clearing connection to server.example.com
> Trying to connect to server.example.com on port 587
> Error: Time limit (15s) reached while trying to write data 
> (server.example.com)
> Error: Additional errors suppressed.
> Clearing connection to server.example.com
> Trying to connect to server.example.com on port s465
>
> Any clues as to why I might have two utterly different mail
> services suddenly fail to accept outbound mail, apparently
> simultaneously?  I have rebooted my MBP, to no avail.
>
> -- 
> Eric A. Meyer (eric at meyerweb.com)     http://meyerweb.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 23:11:38 +0200
> From: "Benny Kj?r Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <85C971CF-F45D-4A21-9583-BD75E81E7321 at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"
>
> On 8 May 2013, at 22:48, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>
>> At 16:30 -0400 5/8/13, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> All of a sudden I'm consistently getting errors like this from gsmtp
>>> when I try to send mail:
>>>
>>> S: 421 4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.  Try again later (SF).
>>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp
>>> Error: Unexpected return code 421 (expected 250):
>>> "4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.  Try again later (SF).
>>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp".
>
> This should be what it says. The server reports a temporary problem 
> and
> refuses to send the message. MailMate could (but doesn't) 
> automatically
> try later, but I'm not sure that would be a better solution. To be
> clear, MailMate cannot send the message when the server refuses to do
> so. Based on the above Gmail is the problem. I kind of doubt it, but
> there might be more interesting information if you send me the entire
> log (off list).
>
>> Followup to that: I can't send mail via my other mail account either,
>> though apparently for a different reason.  Receiving mail on both
>> accounts seems to be fine.  Here's what I see in the latest failure 
>> (I
>> altered the server name):
>
> Yes, that does look like it's for a different reason. No connection is
> made at all. Are you on a very slow connection?
>
> Again, you can try to send me the entire log offline although in this
> case you might already have provided all there is. You can also try
> manually connecting to the server like this in the Terminal:
>
> 	telnet server.example.com 25
> 	telnet server.example.com 587
>
> A successful attempt look like this (my server):
>
> 	Connected to mail.freron.com.
> 	Escape character is '^]'.
> 	220 freron.com ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
> 	quit
> 	221 2.0.0 Bye
> 	Connection closed by foreign host.
>
> I wrote `quit` above.
>
> -- 
> Benny
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:39:43 -0400
> From: "Eric A. Meyer" <eric at meyerweb.com>
> To: MailMate Users <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <p06230907cdb075070c88@[192.168.1.147]>
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> At 23:11 +0200 5/8/13, Benny Kj?r Nielsen wrote:
>
>> On 8 May 2013, at 22:48, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>>
>> At 16:30 -0400 5/8/13, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>>
>> All of a sudden I'm consistently getting errors like this from gsmtp
>> when I try to send mail:
>>
>> S: 421 4.7.0 Temporary System Problem. Try again later (SF).
>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp
>> Error: Unexpected return code 421 (expected 250):
>> "4.7.0 Temporary System Problem. Try again later (SF).
>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp".
>>
>> This should be what it says. The server reports a temporary problem
>> and refuses to send the message. MailMate could (but doesn't)
>> automatically try later, but I'm not sure that would be a better
>> solution. To be clear, MailMate cannot send the message when the
>> server refuses to do so. Based on the above Gmail is the problem.
>
> What I can't figure out why GMail is rejecting my outbound mail
> when inbound is fine-- and I can do whatever I want via their
> web-based UI, including send the rejected sent-mail that got stored
> in the Drafts folder.  And it seems like it must just be me, because
> if GMail weren't accepting outbound mail in general, we'd have heard
> about it by now.
>
>> Followup to that: I can't send mail via my other mail account
>> either, though apparently for a different reason. Receiving mail on
>> both accounts seems to be fine. Here's what I see in the latest
>> failure (I altered the server name):
>>
>> Yes, that does look like it's for a different reason. No connection
>> is made at all. Are you on a very slow connection?
>
> No, it turns out (as I just found) that the provider had changed
> the outbound  mail server's address in a hardware upgrade and didn't
> bother to let me know.  Grrrr.  But at least that one's solved, since
> it works fine now.
>
> -- 
> Eric A. Meyer (eric at meyerweb.com)     http://meyerweb.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 00:11:09 +0200
> From: "Alexandre Takacs" <a.takacs at activ.biz>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <7CE4B8A1-67EE-47B8-9389-0E796D1D3428 at activ.biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 8 May 2013, at 22:30, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>
>> All of a sudden I'm consistently getting errors like this from gsmtp
>>
>> when I try to send mail:
>>
>>
>> S: 421 4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.? Try again later (SF).
>>
>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp
>>
>> Error: Unexpected return code 421 (expected 250):
>>
>> "4.7.0 Temporary System Problem.? Try again later (SF).
>>
>> d51sm122311yho.14 - gsmtp".
>
> FWIW I am seeing the exact same message with my google apps domains -
> sounds like an issue with google servers to me...
>
> A. Takacs
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 08:07:28 +0200
> From: "Benny Kj?r Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <BFB677B3-2E50-474E-9DF8-06E4FC9182A5 at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 8 May 2013, at 23:39, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>
>>> This should be what it says. The server reports a temporary problem
>>> and refuses to send the message. MailMate could (but doesn't)
>>> automatically try later, but I'm not sure that would be a better
>>> solution. To be clear, MailMate cannot send the message when the
>>> server refuses to do so. Based on the above Gmail is the problem.
>>
>> What I can't figure out why GMail is rejecting my outbound mail when
>> inbound is fine-- and I can do whatever I want via their web-based 
>> UI,
>> including send the rejected sent-mail that got stored in the
>> Drafts folder.
>
> The web-interface most likely does not need to access SMTP like 
> MailMate
> does.
>
> Usually IMAP and SMTP are also completely separate systems. This is 
> not
> quite true in the case of Gmail, but I consider that a bug on their
> part.
>
>> And it seems like it must just be me, because if GMail weren't
>> accepting outbound mail in general, we'd
>> have heard about it by now.
>
> During the night I now have this report form 3 users. I am going to
> assume this is somehow related to MailMate (despite the error message
> from the server). I'll move the discussion of this particular subject 
> to
> this ticket: 
> http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/392
>
> Note that you should ?watch? the ticket to get notifications by
> email (apparently this is not done automatically when users reply to a
> lighthouse ticket).
>
> I tried sending with my own Gmail test account without problems. This
> indicates that the problem is more limited than just MailMate users.
>
> (Note: It's a Holiday in Denmark today which may affect how quickly I
> can address this issue.)
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 15:42:15 +0200
> From: "Benny Kj?r Nielsen" <mailinglist at freron.com>
> To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate at lists.freron.com>
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Unable to send GMail
> Message-ID: <89A3D125-6CD6-4CB9-B569-38CBE3437306 at freron.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 9 May 2013, at 8:07, Benny Kj?r Nielsen wrote:
>
>>> And it seems like it must just be me, because if GMail weren't
>>> accepting outbound mail in general, we'd
>>> have heard about it by now.
>>
>> During the night I now have this report form 3 users. I am going to
>> assume this is somehow related to MailMate (despite the error message
>> from the server). I'll move the discussion of this particular subject
>> to this ticket:
>> http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/392
>
> Update: The problem is still unresolved. Anyone with the same problem 
> is
> welcome to join the discussion. More data points might help resolve 
> the
> issue.
>
>> Note that you should ?watch? the ticket to get notifications by
>> email (apparently this is not done automatically when users reply to 
>> a
>> lighthouse ticket).
>
> Remember the above if you want to stay updated on this issue.
>
>> I tried sending with my own Gmail test account without problems. This
>> indicates that the problem is more limited than just MailMate users.
>
> I assume some of you do not have problems with sending through Gmail.
> Just to make sure, you are welcome to send me an email (privately) to
> confirm this.
>
>> (Note: It's a Holiday in Denmark today which may affect how quickly I
>> can address this issue.)
>
> Also note that you can configure the Gmail account in MailMate to send
> using a different SMTP if you have access to one. Otherwise you may be
> able to run postfix on your own machine (I describe this in the 
> ticket,
> but apparently it did not work for at least one other user).
>
> -- 
> Benny
>
>
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