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<p dir="auto">On 9 Apr 2025, at 17:18, Alan Ralph wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">While I kinda-sorta understand why OAuth <em>might</em> be a good thing, from what you've written it sounds like Google is using it primarily for their benefit. It <em>would</em> be mighty convenient if fewer people were using third-party apps to access their Gmail, and opting to access through the browser (ideally Chrome, from Google's viewpoint) or the official Gmail app...</p>
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<p dir="auto">I'm thinking it's a combination of things. Google has probably had more problems with misuse of Google accounts in various ways than anyone else, but I doubt many of those problems have been related to IMAP/SMTP (other than missing 2FA). They had to tighten security for cloud-to-cloud services and then maybe native apps became kind of collateral damage in the process. Now they won't reverse course and instead we have this security theater. Google are the only ones using a “client secret” for OAuth access even though you cannot keep that secret from the user.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I wish I wasn't so cynical about this, but then Google has shown its hand more than enough times in the past that I keep my (now limited) use of their services as arms-length and brief as possible. (My thoughts on Google Drive probably aren't repeatable in polite company.) I just checked my Google Account page, and had to resort to Help to find the app passwords page, so it definitely gives credence to Google pushing folks towards OAuth and away from third-party apps & services.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Yes, I found a description of where it was supposed to be in their settings, but it wasn't there. Only the direct link works for me. For a long time, I did not think this was possible at all.</p>
<p dir="auto">--<br>
Benny</p>
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