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<body><div class="plaintext"><p dir="auto">On 2024-08-30 at 19:23:17 UTC-0400 (Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:23:17 -0700)
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Randall Gellens <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
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is rumored to have said:</p>
<blockquote><p dir="auto">On 30 Aug 2024, at 16:08, Bill Cole wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p dir="auto">On 2024-08-30 at 13:22:20 UTC-0400 (Fri, 30 Aug 2024 10:22:20 -0700)
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Randall Gellens <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
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is rumored to have said:</p>
<blockquote><p dir="auto">On 30 Aug 2024, at 5:15, Charlie Clark wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p dir="auto">On 29 Aug 2024, at 18:41, Randall Gellens wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p dir="auto">I've been running my own mail server since last century and haven't run into any problems with big email providers not accepting my mail. What problems did you have?</p>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><p dir="auto">[...]</p>
<blockquote><blockquote><p dir="auto">It may be relevant that you, me, and everyone else who has been running their own mail since the 90's have benefitted from having started before the mail universe was centralized to a few behemoths who have now learned to be suspicious of new entrants. Google and MS have had a long time to learn to accept your mail and my mail.</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">True, but I also highly doubt that any of the big players have the slightest idea that small players such as us even exist.</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">Right, there's no one who could find a place at MS or Google where our domains or IPs are explicitly tagged as trustworthy. However, both have filtering systems using machine learning techniques building models that may well have been seeded from the start with mail more significantly from such small players, anchoring a model of systems like ours from which we continue to benefit. Conversely, if one registers a domain and buys a cheap VPS and stands up a new mail system all in a day, they look like a certain class of spammer. Such an initial misclassification can live a very long time in a machine learning model, even in something simple like a Naive Bayesian classifier.</p>
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