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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks to Marco Qualizaa for the encouraging message. I didn’t find a way to apply the settings in his message to my installation of MailMate at home, but in the process an option appeared that proved unexpectedly successful. So now I can receive mail from the outlook.com server, but an attempt to send through it has failed. I’ll keep trying. It’s very good not to be entirely cut off from this account, as MailMate has been for over a year now. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>TB<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>mailmate <mailmate-bounces@lists.freron.com> on behalf of Marco Qualizza <mierauch@gmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:14 AM<br><b>To: </b>MailMate Users <mailmate@lists.freron.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>With regards to being able to connect to Outlook, I've had no problem receiving mail or running filters (so, IMAP is working great). But, recently my company decided to enable "modern authentication" (and disable "basic authentication") for sending.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>For people like me, who don't know too much about email authentication stuff, this essentially translates to:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>SMTP Authentication = No.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>ADAL (Active Directory Authentication Library)-based Authentication = Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>MailMate Sending Through Outlook Servers = Pooched*.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>* For now? Hopefully not for ever?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Cheers! :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On 22 Nov 2021, at 9:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>On 22 Nov 2021, at 15:08, t.bartlett--- via mailmate wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #999999 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999'>I run Monterey 12.0.1. I don’t have MacOS 12.1, but should I update to 12.1 for better compatibility with MailMate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>No, that's not need for that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #999999 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999'>I looked at the About MailMate window. It said I had 5835 installed. Then I looked at the Updates window. It said I should downgrade to 5637.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>The r5835 is one of many test releases and MailMate offered you the latest public release (which is pretty old now and not very good with Monterey). I'm working on making a new public release, but there's still a lot to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>To get the latest test release (and you should for Monterey): Hold down </span><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:#777777'>⌥</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'> when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane.<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #999999 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999'>So I did that. Big mistake apparently. Then that did not recognize my license anymore Maybe it was out of date. So I paid $49.95 to Freron. And on top of that, I agreed to be a Patron.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>Let me know if you regret this and I'll provide refunds. (You can write me off list if you like.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>If not, thanks for the support!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #999999 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999'>On another subject: Will MailMate ever be able to connect to outlook.com and hotmail.com servers? I have legacy accounts there that receive mail but MailMate hasn’t been able to download that for a year or two now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>My own test account for outlook.com also doesn't work at the moment. It did work in the past and I'm a bit unsure what changed. Making OAuth2 work for it involved some guessing since I cannot find any official documentation from Microsoft on how that's supposed to work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>It's possible that it still works with an application specific keyword since outlook.com is not the same thing as Office365 (which does work and does definitely not allow application specific passwords). Another data point: I'm pretty sure OAuth2 does not work for outlook.com accounts in Thunderbird.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>I'll look into it eventually, but I cannot guarantee that I can make it work again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>--<br>Benny<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>mailmate mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com"><span style='color:#777777'>mailmate@lists.freron.com</span></a><br><a href="https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate"><span style='color:#777777'>https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>