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<p dir="auto">Sorry to yet again reply to my own message. The issue remains but until just now, the messages were deleted if I switched to another mailbox/smart mailbox.</p>
<p dir="auto">Which made me remember that in a mail on the 25th September 2020 Benny told me about<br />
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior -string "mailboxSwitch"</p>
<p dir="auto">(which is not listed on <a href="https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences">https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences</a>)</p>
<p dir="auto">The other value is “Never”</p>
<p dir="auto">I checked my MailMate hidden defaults and there was no entity called MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior but I clearly had set it in Sept 2020 and it must have been set as that was the behaviour I was seeing.</p>
<p dir="auto">Setting it to “Never” or indeed back to "mailboxSwitch" makes no difference, the mails are deleted immediately after being marked as deleted because I have the (also not documented on the Hidden preferences page)</p>
<pre><code>MmDeleteBehavior -string "markAsDeleted"
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<p dir="auto">I think these preferences must have disappeared when a build removed the Experimental 2.0 preference in the General pane. But the documentation suggests this was AGES ago. But I refer to it back in September 2020 so I must have seen and switched it on.</p>
<p dir="auto">(I have of course restarted MailMate in between changes of the defaults)</p>
<p dir="auto">Anyone else got any clue what is going on!</p>
<p dir="auto">Raza</p>
<p dir="auto">On 25 Aug 2021, at 13:20, Raza Rizvi wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">As an update to this - the expected normal behaviour has returned. Though I am conscious of changing nothing in MailMate or fast mail. Deleted mails are shown in MailMate as deleted (red dot) and they are not being automatically expunged.</p>
<p dir="auto">All very mysterious!</p>
<p dir="auto">Raza</p>
<p dir="auto">On 16 Aug 2021, at 16:32, Raza Rizvi wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Hello,</p>
<p dir="auto">Usually in my mail clients I see deleted mails either as struck through or in red, pending me to get round to running an Expunge.</p>
<p dir="auto">In MailMate I used to see such deleted mails with a red dot marker. I noticed a little while ago that mails deleted on a Tuffmail account appeared to be deleted immediately/nearly immediately. I figured this was a change in the handling of such messages on the Fastmail side as they started their path to ceasing operations in Jan 2022.</p>
<p dir="auto">Now I am noticing this with FastMail (to whom I am moving my message store). This suggests it is something I am doing wrong.</p>
<p dir="auto">I can’t see anything in MailMate or the FastMail preferences that controls the immediate deletion or otherwise of IMAP flagged deleted emails (as you see in the IMAP settings for Google accounts).</p>
<p dir="auto">It happens regardless of whether I use the bin icon or the delete key. Mails do not appear in the Deleted Messages folder within MailMate.</p>
<p dir="auto">I can’t see a relevant hidden preference I might have accidentally toggled. What am I missing?</p>
<p dir="auto">Raza</p>
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