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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:19, Matt wrote:</p>
<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Thanks for considering MailMate (and for the extensive use of Markdown). I'll do my best to answer your questions.</p>
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<h1 style="font-size:1.4em">Sending email</h1>
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<li value="1"><strong>Automatic switching of SMTP server when sender changes.</strong> I have one email account that receives emails for 3 different domains. You discussed this <a href="https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-January/005366.html" style="color:#777">here</a> on the mailing list, but I wasn't subscribed then so I can't reply.
I have a separate SMTP login (via <a href="http://www.mailgun.com" style="color:#777">Mailgun</a>) for each of my domains in order to get DKIM and SPF correct. In MailMate, SMTP servers don't automatically update when I switch sending identities if they are part of the same IMAP account. This is a huge problem given how often I context switch between domains/identities/SMTP servers. Is there a way to do this, or a workaround (even if hacky)? This is my #1 blocker to switching to MailMate from Postbox or Google Inbox in a browser.</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">You found the correct mailing list message with respect to what is currently possible. There's also <a href="https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/220" style="color:#3983C4">this ticket</a> which is still open, because there is no way to do what you ask for. I indicate that it's possible to specify more SMTP accounts and I think that works, but they would not be automatically selected for various email addresses.</p>
<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Since you don't mind a low-level (hacky) solution then I might look into getting at least that part to work.</p>
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<h1 style="font-size:1.4em">Sub-mailbox behavior</h1>
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<li value="2"><strong>Multi-level sub mailboxes.</strong> I'd like to be able to have a tree of sub-mailboxes. Ideally, this would be as easy as putting a "/" in the "Mailbox name format". For example, INBOX/tag/recipient/sender could be:
<code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">${##tags.tag.#name}/${#recipient.#identity}/${from.#correspondent.address}</code></li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">That's not possible and I'm afraid it's not something I can quickly implement.</p>
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<li value="3"><strong>Selective display of tags.</strong> I'd like to be able to create a smart mailbox that only shows tags that contain (or don't contain) a given string. I can already figure out how to filter by emails that have tags containing a string, but the sub-mailboxes show all tags for those emails, not just the tags that were filtered on.
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<li>I want to use this to artificially and creatively mimic features that MailMate doesn't have. For example: follow-up dates, priority levels, who a task has been assigned to, etc.</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Also a tricky one. I guess it might be possible using a custom specifier. The default one for tags is like this:</p>
<pre style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:5px 5px 5px 5px; margin-left:15px; margin-right:15px; max-width:90vw; overflow-x:auto; padding:5px" bgcolor="#F7F7F7"><code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">tags = {
headers = ( "##tags" );
specifierRegex = '(\S+)';
specifierCaptures = {
1 = { specifier = "tag"; parsers = ( "tag"); /*alwaysImplicit = :true;*/ };
};
multiValue = :true;
};
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">The regex controls how the IMAP keywords string is split into separate IMAP keywords. This could be altered to skip those of them which are not of interest. And then name the specifier, e.g., <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">project</code>. I haven't tried it though. As a starting point take the above and replace <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">tag</code> with <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">project</code> everywhere except for <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">##tags</code>. Some inspiration can be found <a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate%40lists.freron.com/msg02220.html" style="color:#3983C4">here</a>.</p>
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<li value="4"><strong>Sub-mailbox de-duping.</strong> It seems that sub-mailboxes don't de-dupe/merge when they have the same name. This is unexpected behavior.</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">The partitioning is based on the primary setting for submailboxes: “Submailbox for each unique value of ...”. The name format is just for prettifying.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">For example, I have multiple ExampleService accounts (registered to "<code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">xyz.exampleservicet@example.com</code>", "<code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">abc.exampleservice@example.com</code>", etc.) and I use a filter like (below) which I was hoping would merge them. Instead, I end up with many sub-mailboxes named "exampleservice".<br>
Filter I'm using: <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">${#recipient.#identity.user/.+\.(example1|exampleservice|example2)$/$1/}</code></p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">You might be able to do it using a custom specifier instead such that the partitioning itself is as expected.</p>
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<h1 style="font-size:1.4em">Feature requests (not blockers, but would be beneficial):</h1>
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<li value="5"><strong>Some way to snooze an email, a sub-mailbox, or a tag.</strong> In other words, to temporarily hide display but automatically bring it back later. I realize doing this system-wide (All Messages) would be kludgy and violate some of the spirit of MailMate. However, if I could somehow make it happen for a sub-mailbox <strong>that would be game-changing. I would pay 2-4x the usual MailMate software license cost if it had this functionality.</strong> I am imagining the sort of "view every morning at 7am" or "snooze until tomorrow" functionality that Google Inbox provides for a "bundle." (Which I actually use to auto-assign Gmail labels which connect to tags in MailMate)</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">I'm not getting what this would do: "view every morning at 7am"</p>
<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">The usual request is some way to snooze an email in a way such that it is moved away from, e.g., the Inbox and then later automatically returned. If I understand you correctly then you also want some kind of “do not disturb” feature in order to, e.g., silence/hide a mailbox. I would consider these things to be two different features, but neither is implemented yet.</p>
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<li value="6"><strong>Follow-up dates.</strong> I want to be able to flag an email with a follow-up date. This could be a tag or something else entirely.</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Isn't this equivalent to snoozing an email?</p>
<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">(Using dates as tags would not work well with many IMAP servers, but that's a technicality.)</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">This way, I can have a smart mailbox that shows me emails by month or year. If you implemented the selective display of tags feature above, this could be hacked together by with a smart mailbox.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">I think you lost me now :)</p>
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<li value="7"><strong>Count of submailboxes.</strong> "Displayed Count" currently has options for "All", "Unread", "Flagged", "Unreplied", and "Recent". It would be nice to have one additional option: "# of Submailboxes". For example, I have a "Tasks" smart mailbox that shows anything with tags that contain "Task_". It then shows submailboxes for each task by using mailbox name format <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">${##tags.tag.#name/Task_/_/}</code>. I'd like to have a count on that smart mailbox that shows how many tasks remain, rather than how many emails are assigned to a task bucket.</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">This is (also) not currently possible, but it's related to a part of the internal query system which I've already done some work on. This might not be very far from being able to provide a “binary” display count. No promises though.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">The combination of sub-mailbox counts, multi-level sub-mailboxes, selective display of tags, sub-mailbox deduping, and snoozes would create an incredibly customizable, flexible, and powerful mail management system. I can think of dozens of use cases that would be served.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">:) That does sound like an incredibly advanced email client.</p>
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<h1 style="font-size:1.4em">Ideas:</h1>
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<li value="8"><strong>Mailbox structure exposé on your website, along with UI export and import.</strong> This isn't really necessary for us, per se, but it would be awesome. The idea would be to have a user-contributed directory on your website of mailbox structures along with some Reddit-esque up-voting and commenting functionality. For example, it would be awesome to see your structure ;).</li>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">My own use of MailMate is quite ironic. It's a mess of temporary experimental stuff, a huge number of (mostly offline) IMAP accounts used for testing, and an INBOX with 1600 emails from the past 5 years reminding that I'm not always capable of handling all incoming email as well as I would like.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">As I see it, the main strength of MailMate is mail management. You could leverage something like this to show off the power of the system. It could also be a great way to get the word out about MailMate.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">My long term “vision” is to make it easier to put customizations into the bundles already supported by MailMate. This would allow a company to use a bundle to share customizations (commands to integrate with other software, themes for styling outgoing messages, custom mailboxes, signature templates, and whatever else makes sense). But right now I'm primarily focused on fixing bugs and complete feature requests I've been postponing for too long.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Hopefully this doesn't come across as a laundry list. I really want to switch away from Google Inbox and Postbox, and would welcome your input.</p>
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<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Sorry for taking some time to answer. If you want to postpone a switch until a particular feature has been implemented then I can note to contact you.</p>
<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">Thanks for the feedback.</p>
<p dir="auto" style="margin:1em 0">-- <br>
Benny</p>
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