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<p dir="auto">On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:52, Robert Brenstein wrote:</p>
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<div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div dir="auto">On 12.07.2016 at 16:38 Uhr +0900 Gary Hull apparently wrote:
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</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><div dir="auto">Thanks. This finally made me figure out tags, and yes, they seem quite handy! The "T" modifier in Search View is great! Thanks again.
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</div><div dir="auto">Can you elaborate on the T modifier for a MailMate newbie coming from Eudora? I am trying to come to grips with flags and tags and having fits and frustrations.
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<p dir="auto">It should be simple in the sense that it doesn't do much. The <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">T</code> modifier simply provides you with a text field for entering your tags. It'll also show you any existing tags for the currently selected message. Tag names are automatically completed and if you enter one that does not exist then MailMate helps you create it. You can review your tags in the Tags preferences pane including the corresponding IMAP keywords (which is not always the same because of IMAP limitations).</p>
<p dir="auto">Special case: If multiple emails are selected then MailMate shows 2 text fields. The first one is for tags to add and the second one is for tags to remove.</p>
<p dir="auto">Note that if you have multiple installs of MailMate then you need to configure the tags on all of them. The “mapping” from tag name to IMAP keyword is not (yet) automatically synchronized. Some day I'll hopefully look into some kind of hack which can provide this kind of synchronization.</p>
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<div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div dir="auto">I just tried to tag a single email with 1 tag and 436 emails got tagged with 2 tags, and I can't undo that so far.
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<p dir="auto">I don't know how that happened, but if you figure out how tags work and you can reproduce something which appears to be a bug then please send me an email.</p>
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<div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div dir="auto">Having only keyboard shortcuts for dealing with flags and tags is really a major shortcoming for me. I am not only overloaded with things to remember as it is, I also prefer using mouse over keyboard.
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<p dir="auto">The rudimentary support for colored flags certainly needs some more GUI support, but tags are not really intended to work differently than they do now. You are only supposed to remember the <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">T</code> shortcut (but I guess an equivalent toolbar button would be nice - I'll note that). You can review existing tags in the Tags preferences pane and although you'll probably dislike it then here's another tip: If you hit space in the Tags text field then a list of all existing tags is shown.</p>
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<div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div dir="auto">Are tags really freely transferred through IMAP servers?
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<p dir="auto">Good question and unfortunately not easily answered. I would claim that tags as implemented in MailMate is the best way to do it with IMAP servers. It is based on so-called IMAP keywords and some servers do not support this very well, but this is typically servers which have all kinds of other issues anyways. The most notable example is Exchange IMAP. (Tags work fine with Gmail.)</p>
<p dir="auto">Some servers have an upper limit on the number of IMAP keywords available. In general, I don't recommend using a large number of tags.</p>
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<div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div dir="auto">The documentation says that IMAP tags are only reliable. I was watching communication with one or two of my server and they showed the list of accepted tags, which were the standard IMAP tags as listed in the Mailmate doc.
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<p dir="auto">Since you're looking at logs then here is what to look for if you want to know what the server can do.</p>
<p dir="auto">Look for a <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">SELECT</code> command similar to this:</p>
<pre style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:5px 5px 5px 5px; margin-left:15px; margin-right:15px; max-width:90vw; overflow-x:auto; padding:5px" bgcolor="#F7F7F7"><code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">C: C6 SELECT "Some Mailbox"
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<p dir="auto">Then the important part of the server response is this:</p>
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<p dir="auto">That last part, <code style="background-color:#F7F7F7; border-radius:3px; margin:0; padding:0 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">\*</code>, tells MailMate that new IMAP keywords can be created.</p>
<p dir="auto">I hope that makes a bit of sense.</p>
<p dir="auto">-- <br>
Benny<br>
(On vacation, please be patient.)</p>
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