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<p dir="auto">On 9 Nov 2013, at 9:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">On 9 Nov 2013, at 3:10, Rob McBroom wrote:</p>
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<p dir="auto">First, is there any way to automatically mark messages as read when deleting them (and ideally when moving to Junk)?</p>
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<p dir="auto">First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable <em>experimental</em> 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk).</p>
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<p dir="auto">I’ve only been able to test it once, but it appears to be working. And by the way, I’m really impressed that I can define the rule on the non-existent “Deleted Messages” thing under Mailboxes, saving me from having to do it for each actual folder in every account. Thanks!</p>
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<p dir="auto">Semi-related to that, I typically view messages in a separate window. When I delete the message, the window closes, but if I move it to Junk, it stays open. I have the “Close window after move” preference enabled.</p>
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<p dir="auto">That option is related to ⌥⌘T.</p>
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<p dir="auto">OK. That reminds me: Is there some technical reason you can’t use ⌥⌘T on a message when it’s open in a dedicated window?</p>
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<p dir="auto">You can define a <a href="http://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings">custom key binding</a> which moves to junk and closes the window, but that won't work for the default toolbar button.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I’ll try that. Thanks.</p>
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<p dir="auto">And I also think it is a problem that MailMate does not select the next message in the mailbox view.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Nooooo! I was trying to be brief, but my original message almost included a huge thanks for <strong>not</strong> re-using the existing window to open another message when I delete. Many clients do that and… I won’t say it’s the worst software feature I’ve ever seen, but I can’t think of a more annoying one right now. At the very least, make it optional. :-)</p>
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<p dir="auto">If you delete, move, or mark as read with a collapsed thread selected, it affects all the messages. But double clicking a collapsed thread or selecting it with the preview pane enabled doesn’t <em>show</em> all the messages.</p>
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<p dir="auto">This would essentially be a so-called conversation view which currently does not exist in MailMate (MailMate can display multiple messages in a message view, but that is rather primitive). It's non-trivial to implement this, but it is one of a few items high on my list (as usual, no promises or time frame).</p>
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<p dir="auto">I’ve seen the “primitive” view. That’s what I meant by “show all the messages”. It might not be as fancy as what Mail does, but it’s better than only seeing one of the messages.</p>
<p dir="auto">I can’t imagine the difficulty of properly implementing something like that. Especially marking messages as “seen” as the user scrolls, hiding useless garbage from top-posters, etc.</p>
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<p dir="auto">When reading/deleting/archiving messages I strongly recommend using the keyboard only, but I do get your point. (Note that ⌥ also works with right-arrow to expand a thread.)</p>
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<p dir="auto">I am normally a keyboard person. (Just <a href="https://github.com/quicksilver/Quicksilver/commits?author=skurfer">look what</a> I spend my time on.) But for whatever reason, I always go for the mouse in a mail client. I think it’s because it’s a much easier way to switch folders and select the correct message from a long list (which I seem to do constantly). ⌥T and ⌥⌘↓ probably cover 90% of this, if I can just train myself not to reach for the mouse.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Thanks for trying out MailMate.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I can’t believe I didn’t know about it. I heard about it through Alan’s message about TextMate under 10.9. I just contributed to the crowd funding effort (even though I’m only 90% convinced I’ll stick with it). There’s some amazing stuff in here, but I won’t make this message any longer by going into great detail.</p>
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Rob McBroom<br>
<a href="http://www.skurfer.com/">http://www.skurfer.com/</a></p>
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