<div dir="ltr">Hi David,<div><br></div><div style>I've just sent Benny an email related to a different issue with sender address selection; I'll forward him this one too, if he doesn't jump in.</div><div style>
<br></div><div style>Thanks,</div><div style>Alberto</div><div style><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Levy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:entropydave@mac.com" target="_blank">entropydave@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
<br>
I agree that the behaviour you are describing is problematic. As you say in your #2, MailMate should learn the correct sending account for your address.<br>
<br>
(The heuristic about matching domains is a clever one and desirable, but I do not believe it is part of the existing functionality.)<br>
<br>
Your experience is contrary to mine and what I believe is the correct functionality in MailMate. In short, it seems like a bug and you should file it as such with Benny if he does not jump in on this thread. I am sure he would like to figure out why it is not working for you.<br>
<br>
Good luck.<br>
<br>
David.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 15 Apr 2013, at 10:30, Alberto Caporro wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
Hi David,<br>
<br>
my usage pattern is quite simple and repeatable.<br>
<br>
I have six email address configured in MailMate; one of them has two<br>
aliases, which brings the total of possible "From" address to eight; my<br>
work address has the domain "@<a href="http://consulthink.it" target="_blank">consulthink.it</a>", my main (in term of usage)<br>
personal one is a "<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>".<br>
<br>
If I write an email to one of my colleagues, as soon as I input his address<br>
(<a href="mailto:xxx@consulthink.it" target="_blank">xxx@consulthink.it</a>) the "From" address is switched to my gmail account; I<br>
can change it back to the "<a href="http://consulthink.it" target="_blank">consulthink.it</a>" address, but the next time I<br>
write an email to the same person it happens again.<br>
<br>
There are at least three anomalous behaviours here:<br>
<br></div>
1. When I write an email, the reasonable beahviour should be to use, as<div class="im"><br>
the sender address, one with the same domain, if available; if not some<br>
kind of heuristic should be applied.<br></div>
2. If the algorithm is supposed to learn, why am I seeing the same<br>
behaviour again and again?<br>
3. Why does this happen only with some of the recipients? I can send<div><div class="h5"><br>
emails to other colleagues (same domain) and the sender address is the<br>
right one.<br>
<br>
This has been happening since the first time I've used MM, and is still<br>
happening right now; I've also tried removing my accounts, wiping my<br>
configuration and starting again from scratch, with no apparent change.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Alberto<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:16 AM, David Levy <<a href="mailto:entropydave@mac.com" target="_blank">entropydave@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
Hi Tom<br>
<br>
So far as I know, there is no way to disable this feature. There is<br>
almost certainly a way to reset your past usage history. Benny (the<br>
author) will know.<br>
<br>
I have not encountered any behaviour like you describe. There is nothing<br>
random about the behaviour for me. I have five accounts and several of<br>
those have aliases, so I could send from any of about 10 addresses.<br>
<br>
When I create a message, the sending ID is initially set to the account<br>
currently selected in the message viewer, e.g. if a message in account A is<br>
selected, then the ID of my new message is set to A.<br>
<br>
The first address I type determines my sending ID after that, so if I type<br>
in an address I have most recently sent to using account B, my sending ID<br>
is changed to B. Subsequent addresses do not change this, unless I delete<br>
the first and type a new one.<br>
<br>
So far, nothing random.<br>
<br>
If I now wish to send to this person that I most recently wrote to from<br>
account B, using account C, I can do that by selecting from the the pop-up<br>
at the top of the composer window (or use ctrl-cmd-i which is what I use to<br>
select addresses). Then the message is sent from account C. So far, not<br>
random.<br>
<br>
I do not know why you have four accounts, but I do because two are for<br>
distinct jobs I do, one is my main address for most communication with the<br>
outside world and one is for friends and family. I find this feature super<br>
useful, indeed it is one of the most winning features of MailMate. 95% of<br>
the time or more, I only want to email work colleagues from my work<br>
addresses and my friends and family from the account for that. MailMate<br>
makes that happen now with almost zero intervention and no need to remember<br>
to check from which account I am sending.<br>
<br>
You say that the addresses change without asking. That is not my<br>
experience. My experience is that it is deterministic along the lines<br>
above. Maybe Benny can suggest a way to reset your history and that will<br>
help. However, if you are fairly consistent, the patterns should quickly<br>
stabilise.<br>
<br>
That said, to emphasise, if you change the sending ID in the composer<br>
*after* you have put in your first destination address, MailMate will<br>
behave just like Mail and other email apps. It will not change the sending<br>
account.<br>
<br>
David.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 15 Apr 2013, at 0:26, Tom wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi David,<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
I'm pasting my original message below, to keep the thread organized.<br>
<br>
I am not meddling with address patterns and the Regex feature.<br>
It just changes the addresses without asking.<br>
<br>
I actually don't see how this could be useful.<br>
I want to be the only one to choose what address a mail should be sent<br>
from.<br>
<br>
Even if some day I decide to use the "personal" address to write to a<br>
person who<br>
I've alway contacted using the "work" address, I should be free to do so.<br>
No automatic address switching.<br>
<br>
Is there any way to disable it?<br>
<br>
Thank you for your feedback,<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 14/apr/2013, 08:27, David Levy <<a href="mailto:entropydave@mac.com" target="_blank">entropydave@mac.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
On 13 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Alberto Caporro wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
in my experience MM change the "From" address when you add a recipient;<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
depending on your previous usage pattern it decides which address to<br>
use.<br>
<br>
I've still not been able to get a reasonable behaviour for this<br>
function;<br>
no matter whatever I've tried, wrong address still are selected for<br>
outgoing emails.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, it seems to interact in a very nasty way with the "Address<br>
pattern" feature, if activated; I'm going to submit a bug report to<br>
Benny<br>
as soon as I find a few minutes to collect the relevant screenshots.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
I am surprised to hear you say this. In my experience this<br>
functionality, which I believe is unique to MailMate, works exceptionally<br>
well for me. I have avoided having to change my sending identity hundreds,<br>
maybe thousands of times, because of this. It has also saved me from<br>
sending from the wrong address many, many times. I wonder in what way it<br>
is producing the wrong results?<br>
<br>
Perhaps you have unusual addressing patterns, which is why I ask. Maybe<br>
you're doing something I should be doing.<br>
<br>
I am not familiar, I think, with the "address pattern" feature, so<br>
cannot comment.<br>
<br>
David.<br></div></div>
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<br>
Original message:<br>
<br>
Hi, I'm a new user.<br>
So far everything is great except for a no-go problem: Mailmate randomly<br>
changes the sender address of my messages.<br>
<br>
I've set it up with 4 mail boxes:<br>
- yahoo<br>
- gmail<br>
- personal IMAP account (domain A)<br>
- personal IMAP account (domain B)<br>
<br>
Quite often, when I send a message using one specific address in the<br>
"FROM" field (and now I triple check every time), Mailmate decides to<br>
change it with another one and sends the message with from the wrong<br>
mailbox.<br>
I've already verified that this is not a local problem (e.g. mixed labels<br>
in the GUI): these "swaps" appear on the remote IMAP directories as well.<br>
<br>
Is it some sort of hidden option I haven't noticed? Am I doing something<br>
wrong?<br>
Can it be fixed?<br>
<br>
Thank you for your help.<br>
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